FYI, I reside in the UK but spend a lot of working time also in Sweden and Germany, not so much in China/Korea any more as those operations are well up and running now.
US orientated, political nomenclature means little to me although I guess, I better get used to it for NAB next weekend if I want to appreciate the humour ;) John > -----Original Message----- > From: Abd ulRahman Lomax [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Monday, April 12, 2004 2:56 AM > To: Protel EDA Forum > Subject: Re: [PEDA] Good schematic/PCB development suite > recommendation? > > At 07:16 PM 4/11/2004, John A. Ross [RSDTV] wrote: > >You can hardly call me silent [...] > > I'm not sure where Mr. Ross lives, but in the United States > various politicians have been known to use the term "silent > majority" to claim that anyone who disagrees with them merely > represents some extremist fringe, and they are the true > spokespeople for the majority. > > My point was that we don't know how the majority feels simply > from how we individually feel, nor do we necessarily know it > from the squeaky wheels. > This is *not* a criticism of squeaky wheels, nor is it any > attempt to denigrate Mr. Ross or what he has been saying. > > >As far as being coherent, I will devote as much time, > documentation and > >effort as otherwise required to get my point across, on one simple > >condition. > > In my usage of the word, then, Mr. Ross is a single photon. > "Coherent" as I used it would mean some coordinated > expression of users, not merely an individual expression. > > >That is as long as I believe my efforts are not wasted, nor > in vain, or > >that they are actually being acknowledged at all. > > Yes, though the last clause is ... incoherent. :-) At least I > couldn't quite make sense of it. But the point is clear from > the first part. > ("Coherent" is here used to mean "unintelligible," which is > *not* how I was using it in my previous post.) > > >The last point is Altiums weakness. An insular community and > train of > >thought. There are many specialists who could compile a survey for > >Altium, in my experience home grown surveys, even by the most > >experienced 'marketing' types is flawed from the start. > > I don't know what kind of surveying Altium has done. I've > received informal calls, and it is possible that something > was being compiled from these. But I do have in mind a more > active form of communication between users and the company. > > >I see helping other users without reward a positive use of my time. > > As do I. > > >If I think for a moment I am wasting my time I would rather > spend it on > >my kids & my family, they are by far my preferred future investment. > > Understood. > > >I guess you just see my comments as being incoherent, ineffective, a > >waste of your reading tome and of no practical use. So be it. > > No, that is not at all how I see Mr. Ross's writing. When I > see writing that is a waste of time I pass it by! > > Mr. Ross, unfortunately, appears to have taken some very > general comments I made as if they were directed at him, > merely because his post triggered the observations. I'll > quote what I wrote that might have occasioned this: > > "Anyway, I'd like to see better communication between Altium > and the users, and that is going to require a certain level > of organization of the users. > You can't communicate with someone who is incoherent, and > there is no active mechanism which will allow the users to > speak coherently." > > "Incoherent" did not refer to Mr. Ross, but to the body of > users -- all of us --, who have no means of communicating > "coherently," that is, with one voice (ideally, representing > a broad consensus). The mailing lists function partially > toward this direction, sometimes, but not reliably. > > >I'll ignore the other bait ;) > > There was an implicit invitation at the end of my post for > users to join in developing coherence (on > [EMAIL PROTECTED], which has > decision-making mechanisms); I could speculate that Mr. Ross > is saying that he will ignore this, but, to be truthful, I > don't really know what he meant. > > > > * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *