FYI, I reside in the UK but spend a lot of working time also in Sweden
and Germany, not so much in China/Korea any more as those operations are
well up and running now.

US orientated, political nomenclature means little to me although I
guess, I better get used to it for NAB next weekend if I want to
appreciate the humour ;)

John


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Abd ulRahman Lomax [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> Sent: Monday, April 12, 2004 2:56 AM
> To: Protel EDA Forum
> Subject: Re: [PEDA] Good schematic/PCB development suite 
> recommendation?
> 
> At 07:16 PM 4/11/2004, John A. Ross [RSDTV] wrote:
> >You can hardly call me silent [...]
> 
> I'm not sure where Mr. Ross lives, but in the United States 
> various politicians have been known to use the term "silent 
> majority" to claim that anyone who disagrees with them merely 
> represents some extremist fringe, and they are the true 
> spokespeople for the majority.
> 
> My point was that we don't know how the majority feels simply 
> from how we individually feel, nor do we necessarily know it 
> from the squeaky wheels. 
> This is *not* a criticism of squeaky wheels, nor is it any 
> attempt to denigrate Mr. Ross or what he has been saying.
> 
> >As far as being coherent, I will devote as much time, 
> documentation and 
> >effort as otherwise required to get my point across, on one simple 
> >condition.
> 
> In my usage of the word, then, Mr. Ross is a single photon. 
> "Coherent" as I used it would mean some coordinated 
> expression of users, not merely an individual expression.
> 
> >That is as long as I believe my efforts are not wasted, nor 
> in vain, or 
> >that they are actually being acknowledged at all.
> 
> Yes, though the last clause is ... incoherent. :-) At least I 
> couldn't quite make sense of it. But the point is clear from 
> the first part. 
> ("Coherent" is here used to mean "unintelligible," which is 
> *not* how I was using it in my previous post.)
> 
> >The last point is Altiums weakness. An insular community and 
> train of 
> >thought. There are many specialists who could compile a survey for 
> >Altium, in my experience home grown surveys, even by the most 
> >experienced 'marketing' types is flawed from the start.
> 
> I don't know what kind of surveying Altium has done. I've 
> received informal calls, and it is possible that something 
> was being compiled from these. But I do have in mind a more 
> active form of communication between users and the company.
> 
> >I see helping other users without reward a positive use of my time.
> 
> As do I.
> 
> >If I think for a moment I am wasting my time I would rather 
> spend it on 
> >my kids & my family, they are by far my preferred future investment.
> 
> Understood.
> 
> >I guess you just see my comments as being incoherent, ineffective, a 
> >waste of your reading tome and of no practical use. So be it.
> 
> No, that is not at all how I see Mr. Ross's writing. When I 
> see writing that is a waste of time I pass it by!
> 
> Mr. Ross, unfortunately, appears to have taken some very 
> general comments I made as if they were directed at him, 
> merely because his post triggered the observations. I'll 
> quote what I wrote that might have occasioned this:
> 
> "Anyway, I'd like to see better communication between Altium 
> and the users, and that is going to require a certain level 
> of organization of the users. 
> You can't communicate with someone who is incoherent, and 
> there is no active mechanism which will allow the users to 
> speak coherently."
> 
> "Incoherent" did not refer to Mr. Ross, but to the body of 
> users -- all of us --, who have no means of communicating 
> "coherently," that is, with one voice (ideally, representing 
> a broad consensus). The mailing lists function partially 
> toward this direction, sometimes, but not reliably.
> 
> >I'll ignore the other bait ;)
> 
> There was an implicit invitation at the end of my post for 
> users to join in developing coherence (on 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED], which has 
> decision-making mechanisms); I could speculate that Mr. Ross 
> is saying that he will ignore this, but, to be truthful, I 
> don't really know what he meant.
> 
> 
> 
> 


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