Ok, John, I don't even know where to start…
I suppose, first of all, I need to say that I'm happy to share my knowledge of Pro Tools with this list. Although I'm not the earliest blind user, I can safely say, with utmost confidence, that I am the most knowledgeable user. In fact, regardless of being a blind user, I help sighted users. I typically don't get too involved in answering basic questions because, frankly, I don't have the time and usually others can answer most questions. Occasionally, I do address basic inquiries. Since you've shared a bit more about yourself, for your knowledge, I was trained as an audio engineer and have been working in audio since the mid eighties as well. You wouldn't know that about me, of course, because you clearly don't know who I am and what my level of expertise is. Likewise, as I stated, I have, or at least had, no real knowledge of your level of understanding is either. Frankly, if anything, you assumed that I didn't know what scrubbing is or what the difference is between scrubbing and selecting. That's fine, I'm not easily irked by assumptions like that. Your issues concerning the selection of audio are truly very basic. Further, I repeatedly explained the concept of track selection versus scrubbing in a track in order to create an insertion point and thus selecting it. I'd like for you to point out where my answers to you were wrong. If I mislead you in any way, I apologize but I try to be as clear and concise as I can. Communication is a skill I try to keep straight-forward and language is important to me. Incidentally, "couth" is not a word. I stated a fact that I don't know what your level of understanding is and, unfortunately, you took that as condescending. Although my statement was misinterpreted, it's entirely reasonable. I don't know if your issues stem purely from a lack of experience with a new OS, new screen reader in addition to the new version of Pro Tools but, the concept that I was explaining has nothing to do with the first two but the last item. If you've been using Pro Tools for as long as you say, a simple perusal of the menus reveals the linking of insertion and track selection. It doesn't take much to comprehend the ramifications of such a choice when you've been working in Pro Tools for years. Anyway, it's still not entirely clear to me what you do and don't understand about Pro Tools itself, never mind VoiceOver, because when I explained the idea of track selection being different now in version 8, 9, 10, etc., you didn't seem to follow. I'm not trying to test anyone's knowledge of PT. There are people here on all levels. Sometimes it's readily apparent where they're at and sometimes it's not. I hardly think I need an etiquette lesson but, hey, let's agree to disagree, as they say. My intention is to help others whenever I can and sometimes that actually means telling them to read the manual or simply not getting personally involved. I think most of the time I make the right decision. In this instance, perhaps it remains to be seen. Although age is irrelevant, since you brought it up, I'm 47 and since we're not boasting, I've worked with, not only Grammy nominees but winners. There are others on the list who have impressive credits as well so you're in good company here. John, once you get to know me, you'll find that I'm an extremely generous and patient person. Actually, I should add, to a fault. What bothers me about this situation is not your message and misinterpretation of my simple statement but the fact that I have to take 10 minutes to explain all of this. It's not your fault. It's my responsibility to manage my time and spend it wisely and I'm done explaining. So, if you'd like, we can put this all behind us and move on. Please don't take my reply to you as anything but friendly, even if I did have to throw that spelling jab in. Hey, I'm only human :) I'm more than happy to help where and when I can. Please don't hesitate. Best, Slau On Mar 1, 2012, at 10:06 AM, John Boral wrote: > Slau, as I do very much appreciate the fact that you're being very > helpful I do think you need some etiquette lessons. From the beginning > I stated I've only had PT and VO for three weeks so it should be quite > obvious that I have very little understanding which is why I joined > this group. I believe had your explanation been more clear rather than > saying "you've had PT since version 5 and don't know about scrubbing" > and simply addressing my problem would show quite a bit more refined > couth on your part. I understood this group was for helping new comers > rather than tactfully condescending members. Someone like Chris who is > admittedly also new to PT seems to have a better understanding of how > to explain concepts and someone like Chuck who seems to have been with > this for a while doesn't say things like, "I don't know what your > level of understanding is" which again, could be taken very > condescendingly.I'd appreciate you taking an extra minute and > rereading a post because your answer wasn't even correct. When I had > to further explain to you that scrubbing and selecting were different > in PT 5 you then posted things had changed in 7.4. Had you read my > original post throughout the first time we could have avoided 2 other > posts on here. My level of understanding in PT 5 got me 2 grammy > nominees and touring with one of the most famous bands in Canada. I > don't know your age but I believe I'm older than you and have been > using Digidesign products since the mid 80's and my level of > understanding was apparently good enough whereby they even had > changed a part about nudging in the manual back in the 90's when I > brought it up to the attention of the engineers. I really don't want > to make this a who's better than who war so again, I've never boasted > about what I do on here and very clearly said I was new to anything > after PT 5 and Outspoken from the beginning. I'm sure I was one of the > very first blind users of Digidesign products from the 2 track version > of Sound Designer to the 4 track version of Soundtools and so on. I > could go on and on and tell you who the very first Digi engineer was > and I had home phone numbers when the company had only 2 engineers and > 1 product out. I've been trying to change with the times but got stuck > in PT 5 and all I'm doing now is trying to do is as you stated, "keep > up with appearances" but I don't believe anybody feels the need to be > tested on their knowledge of PT in this group.
