Slau of course. > On 12/07/2014, at 10:37 am, "Christopher-Mark Gilland" > <clgillan...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Might I ask who that member would be? Just am curious. Not that it really > matters. LOL! > > I'll definitely look into it. > > Chris. > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "TheOreoMonster" <monkeypushe...@gmail.com> > To: <ptaccess@googlegroups.com> > Sent: Friday, July 11, 2014 6:33 PM > Subject: Re: Well, I was wrong. > > > And while not a technical book on recording, mixing and etc, The Daily > Adventure of mixer man is worth the read from an entertainment stand point > that also happens to have little audio nuggets in there. And if you get the > Audio book a certain member of this mailing list makes a cameo. > >> On Jul 11, 2014, at 3:30 PM, Chris Smart <csma...@cogeco.ca> wrote: >> >> I don't know about audio format for those. I got one as a pdf and bought and >> scanned the other two. >> >> For Mixing Audio, Techniques Concepts and Tools, you definitely want the DVD >> that goes with the book - everything in the bookas a wav file. >> >> Really what it comes down to is learning to identify narrower and narrower >> bands of frequencies so you can set and adjust equalizers quickly, learning >> what all the parameters of compressors, reverbs, delays etc. do, being able >> to detect digital clipping, etc. A lot of just adjusting things, seeing what >> they do, and trying to remember what it sounds like when you do this or that. >> >> Admittedly I had a bit of an advantage starting out. I'm one of those guys >> with perfect pitch. So, while I can name notes by sound, imagine them, etc. >> I couldn't name what frequency values various pitches are. But, I quickly >> started learning that. 440 Hz is 4th octave A on a piano. double that to >> 880 and you get a note an octave higher. Halve it to 220 and you get an >> octave lower. Halve it a couple times and you're almost at 50 Hz, the hum >> of electrical noise in Europe. You can map out the audible spectrum that way >> if you want, if you're coming at this as a musician. The top note on a piano >> is around 4K. The bottom note on a guitar in standard tuning is around 80 >> Hz. on and on. find some frequencies you do know, and start doubling and >> halving them, then cut those differences in half again, etc. >> >> You want to aim for being able to identify bands about a third of an octave >> wide. >> >> At 02:42 PM 7/11/2014, you wrote: >>> Chris, this is absolutely awesome! Thank you! I'm gonna save this e-mail >>> in my archives, and will definitely check out these books. There is also >>> some good resources that Chuck Reichel gave me a while back, and I have >>> almost all of those tutorials at this point. I need to look again at what >>> they're called, but they're excellent. Mayve chuck can chime in. >>> >>> Do you know if those books that you mentioned about are available in audio >>> format anywhere? >>> >>> Chris. >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Smart" <csma...@cogeco.ca> >>> To: <ptaccess@googlegroups.com> >>> Sent: Friday, July 11, 2014 12:27 PM >>> Subject: Re: Well, I was wrong. >>> >>> >>>> Well, I was interested in mixing and mastering. For mixing, check out: >>>> 1. Mike Senior - Mixing Secrets for the Small Studio >>>> That one really illustrates what it takes to get a mix up to commercial >>>> standards. >>>> (and check out Mike's excelent website, including an enormous free >>>> multitrack library of material to practice on!) >>>> www.cambridge-mt.com >>>> >>>> and >>>> 2. Roey Izhaki - Mixing Audio - Concepts Practices and Tools >>>> http://www.mixingaudio.com/ >>>> That one is extremely thorough, and every example in the book comes in >>>> audio form on a data DVD. If something confuses you in the first book or >>>> you want to learn a lot about a specific thing, such as compressors, >>>> reverb, etc., check it out in the second book. >>>> >>>> Generally, Focal Press puts out a lot of great material. >>>> >>>> For mastering, the bible is: >>>> Bob Katz - Mastering Audio; the Art and the Science. >>>> His site is at: >>>> http://www.digido.com >>>> >>>> Hopefully someone can recommend a good text on recording. >>>> >>>> At 12:11 PM 7/11/2014, you wrote: >>>>> In your defense, Chris, you do have a very valid point about reading. >>>>> That I'll give ya. Are there any good titles you'd recommend starting >>>>> with? >>>>> >>>>> Chris. >>>>> >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Smart" <csma...@cogeco.ca> >>>>> To: <ptaccess@googlegroups.com> >>>>> Sent: Friday, July 11, 2014 10:56 AM >>>>> Subject: Re: Well, I was wrong. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> if you can't afford school, you can still get and read lots of books on >>>>>> recording, or producing, or mixing or mastering etc. >>>>>> >>>>>> The FS in dBFS means full scale. (not the same as dbV dBU dBSPL etc.) >>>>>> >>>>>> At 04:37 AM 7/11/2014, you wrote: >>>>>>> You wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> First of all, Chris, you probably shouldn't expect that people have the >>>>>>> time to listen to an mp3 where you start going into your preference >>>>>>> settings. That's just not reasonable for most people. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> And, I didn't! expect people to be required to listen. Why do you >>>>>>> think I said, if you want! to listen to it, it may help explain things. >>>>>>> Nowhere what so ever did I make mention that people absolutely just, >>>>>>> had! to listen to it. If you don't wanna play it, or don't have the >>>>>>> time, then, don't. Plain and simple. It's only an option I provided. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Secondly, if you're close to clipping with your preamps all the way >>>>>>> down, then there's another issue here that you need to address and I'm >>>>>>> not sure what that is but I can assure you that no microphone's own >>>>>>> output signal is hot enough to hit line level without a preamp of some >>>>>>> sort. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The issue is Slau, it's apparently not hitting that hot, you're >>>>>>> correct. Even when Sweetwater went in and looked, it shows I'm hitting >>>>>>> at a decent level. I think it's more a Voiceover thing than anything. >>>>>>> It appears based on all the testing I've done with an experienced >>>>>>> sighted person who knows a ton about audio production, that it's >>>>>>> Voiceover being dumb and not correctly announcing the meter levels. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> You wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> You clearly don't have the answer because you're searching for it and >>>>>>> it would take some deeper examination of what's going on to figure out >>>>>>> your issue. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> OK that made no sense. If something is going wrong, isn't that what >>>>>>> one should do?... search and try to figure out the answer? How can you >>>>>>> examine anything to start with if you don't search nor ask for what may >>>>>>> be the cause? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> You wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I assure you that it has absolutely zero to do with Pro Tools itself. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I now agree. I think it's more a bug with Voiceover. When sighted >>>>>>> people have looked at my levels, I'm coming in around -14 to -12, which >>>>>>> is absolutely perfect. However, on the actual mono audio track itself >>>>>>> which the mike is being recorded, when I sing into the mike, as I'm >>>>>>> doing so looking at the meter, according to Voiceover, I'm peeking >>>>>>> around -5 to -4 DB. So, at this time, the only explaination that I >>>>>>> have is Voiceover is being dumb. When I used PT 10, I didn't change a >>>>>>> single thing in my interface software, nor did I change anything with >>>>>>> the physical hardware gain input dial on the channel through my >>>>>>> interface, yet, in PT 10, the meter shows correctly. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> You wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> It's software and has no bearing on your recording volume. The problem >>>>>>> is that you're dealing with some stuff that you don't understand and >>>>>>> you'll need to get a handle on it in order to solve the problem. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> OK, what stuff then don't I understand? What stuff do I need to >>>>>>> research more thoroughly? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> You wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The quagmire is that it takes a lot of time to understand the various >>>>>>> aspects of the myriad of equipment and that's why there are schools >>>>>>> that teach audio engineering and production. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> OK, but if you can't afford to go to one of those schools... >>>>>>> >>>>>>> You wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Of course, it's possible to learn this on your own but it can take >>>>>>> quite a long time. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Understandable. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> You wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Bottom line is, if you have a microphone going into an interface and >>>>>>> nothing else in between, there's no possible way your levels can be at >>>>>>> -4 dB FS. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> For one thing, I know what -4DB means, but when you say DB FS, what do >>>>>>> you mean by FS? Maybe we're talking two different levels here. Then >>>>>>> again, nmaybe not? Secondly, let me go back to my initial point. If >>>>>>> indeed this is not ProTools related, and please know, this isn't in any >>>>>>> way meant to challenge you nor to be rude/difficult, I'm just trying to >>>>>>> understand your point from the bigger picture. So, keep that in mind >>>>>>> when reading what I'm about to ask. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> If PT has nothing to do with it, which by the way, I'm in agreement >>>>>>> with you on at this point in time until proven otherwise, then explain >>>>>>> this to me... Why then is PT 10 with Voiceover showing me something >>>>>>> totally different than PT 11, when my settings are absolutely 100% >>>>>>> identical on both versions, I'm running both on the same mac computer, >>>>>>> so it's not like I'm on a different workstation, same hardware, same >>>>>>> interface, same drivers, same software, same hardware wiring, same >>>>>>> hookup, and all my levels on PT, as well as on the interface itself >>>>>>> haven't been touched with a 12 foot poll, sota speak, yet I'm getting >>>>>>> totally completely different readouts between the two versions? That >>>>>>> almost indicates to me that there is an issue in PT 11.2 reading the >>>>>>> meaters, vs. in 10.0. This is why I asked a few messages back in the >>>>>>> thread if PT11 handled the meters a little differently, or if it was an >>>>>>> issue of Voiceover itself doing something odd. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> You wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I guarantee that there's another piece of gear that's causing you to >>>>>>> see levels that hot. I suggest you eliminate the variables and figure >>>>>>> the problem out that way. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> All I have is my keyboard which is only running into the interface via >>>>>>> midi, so it can't be causing line levels, however, none the less, I >>>>>>> unplugged it and shut it off. I literally went as far as to literally >>>>>>> unplug it from the electrical power strip. I also unplugged the midi >>>>>>> in and out cords from both the keyboard and the other ends of them from >>>>>>> the interface. Essentially, I totally unhooked the keyboard. I also >>>>>>> unplugged my xlr cord from both my microphone, as well as from the >>>>>>> channel 1 input on my interface, and even turned off phantom power. I >>>>>>> even hit the 20DB padding button on channel 1, to knotch it back 20DB >>>>>>> just in case it was hearing some electrical hiss/buzz noise, which is >>>>>>> unlikely, but you never know. Even doing all this, it did no baring. >>>>>>> 10.0 still shows totally acceptible, whilst 11.2 isn't. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I should add that there are no sends, and no plugins on the audio track >>>>>>> in PT which are giving me this issue with the meter. I know that the >>>>>>> volume fader on the track is output not my input volume, however, just >>>>>>> to see if something wasn't set right, I ran that fader all the way to >>>>>>> minus infinity yet it had no baring. I even muted the track. Again, I >>>>>>> understand totally that is dealing with output, not input, so that >>>>>>> wouldn't have any effect. I know, I know, I know. I did it just for >>>>>>> the hell of it. I figure I had nothing to lose. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Chris. >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>> Groups "Pro Tools Accessibility" group. >>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>>>>> an email to ptaccess+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>> Groups "Pro Tools Accessibility" group. >>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>>>> an email to ptaccess+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>>>> "Pro Tools Accessibility" group. >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >>>>> email to ptaccess+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>>> "Pro Tools Accessibility" group. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >>>> email to ptaccess+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "Pro Tools Accessibility" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >>> email to ptaccess+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Pro Tools Accessibility" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to ptaccess+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Pro Tools Accessibility" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to ptaccess+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Pro Tools Accessibility" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to ptaccess+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
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