In your defense, Chris, you do have a very valid point about reading. That
I'll give ya. Are there any good titles you'd recommend starting with?
Chris.
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From: "Chris Smart" <[email protected]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Friday, July 11, 2014 10:56 AM
Subject: Re: Well, I was wrong.
if you can't afford school, you can still get and read lots of books on
recording, or producing, or mixing or mastering etc.
The FS in dBFS means full scale. (not the same as dbV dBU dBSPL etc.)
At 04:37 AM 7/11/2014, you wrote:
You wrote:
First of all, Chris, you probably shouldn't expect that people have the
time to listen to an mp3 where you start going into your preference
settings. That's just not reasonable for most people.
And, I didn't! expect people to be required to listen. Why do you think I
said, if you want! to listen to it, it may help explain things. Nowhere
what so ever did I make mention that people absolutely just, had! to
listen to it. If you don't wanna play it, or don't have the time, then,
don't. Plain and simple. It's only an option I provided.
Secondly, if you're close to clipping with your preamps all the way down,
then there's another issue here that you need to address and I'm not sure
what that is but I can assure you that no microphone's own output signal
is hot enough to hit line level without a preamp of some sort.
The issue is Slau, it's apparently not hitting that hot, you're correct.
Even when Sweetwater went in and looked, it shows I'm hitting at a decent
level. I think it's more a Voiceover thing than anything. It appears
based on all the testing I've done with an experienced sighted person who
knows a ton about audio production, that it's Voiceover being dumb and not
correctly announcing the meter levels.
You wrote:
You clearly don't have the answer because you're searching for it and it
would take some deeper examination of what's going on to figure out your
issue.
OK that made no sense. If something is going wrong, isn't that what one
should do?... search and try to figure out the answer? How can you
examine anything to start with if you don't search nor ask for what may be
the cause?
You wrote:
I assure you that it has absolutely zero to do with Pro Tools itself.
I now agree. I think it's more a bug with Voiceover. When sighted people
have looked at my levels, I'm coming in around -14 to -12, which is
absolutely perfect. However, on the actual mono audio track itself which
the mike is being recorded, when I sing into the mike, as I'm doing so
looking at the meter, according to Voiceover, I'm peeking around -5 to -4
DB. So, at this time, the only explaination that I have is Voiceover is
being dumb. When I used PT 10, I didn't change a single thing in my
interface software, nor did I change anything with the physical hardware
gain input dial on the channel through my interface, yet, in PT 10, the
meter shows correctly.
You wrote:
It's software and has no bearing on your recording volume. The problem is
that you're dealing with some stuff that you don't understand and you'll
need to get a handle on it in order to solve the problem.
OK, what stuff then don't I understand? What stuff do I need to research
more thoroughly?
You wrote:
The quagmire is that it takes a lot of time to understand the various
aspects of the myriad of equipment and that's why there are schools that
teach audio engineering and production.
OK, but if you can't afford to go to one of those schools...
You wrote:
Of course, it's possible to learn this on your own but it can take quite a
long time.
Understandable.
You wrote:
Bottom line is, if you have a microphone going into an interface and
nothing else in between, there's no possible way your levels can be at -4
dB FS.
For one thing, I know what -4DB means, but when you say DB FS, what do you
mean by FS? Maybe we're talking two different levels here. Then again,
nmaybe not? Secondly, let me go back to my initial point. If indeed this
is not ProTools related, and please know, this isn't in any way meant to
challenge you nor to be rude/difficult, I'm just trying to understand your
point from the bigger picture. So, keep that in mind when reading what
I'm about to ask.
If PT has nothing to do with it, which by the way, I'm in agreement with
you on at this point in time until proven otherwise, then explain this to
me... Why then is PT 10 with Voiceover showing me something totally
different than PT 11, when my settings are absolutely 100% identical on
both versions, I'm running both on the same mac computer, so it's not like
I'm on a different workstation, same hardware, same interface, same
drivers, same software, same hardware wiring, same hookup, and all my
levels on PT, as well as on the interface itself haven't been touched with
a 12 foot poll, sota speak, yet I'm getting totally completely different
readouts between the two versions? That almost indicates to me that there
is an issue in PT 11.2 reading the meaters, vs. in 10.0. This is why I
asked a few messages back in the thread if PT11 handled the meters a
little differently, or if it was an issue of Voiceover itself doing
something odd.
You wrote:
I guarantee that there's another piece of gear that's causing you to see
levels that hot. I suggest you eliminate the variables and figure the
problem out that way.
All I have is my keyboard which is only running into the interface via
midi, so it can't be causing line levels, however, none the less, I
unplugged it and shut it off. I literally went as far as to literally
unplug it from the electrical power strip. I also unplugged the midi in
and out cords from both the keyboard and the other ends of them from the
interface. Essentially, I totally unhooked the keyboard. I also unplugged
my xlr cord from both my microphone, as well as from the channel 1 input
on my interface, and even turned off phantom power. I even hit the 20DB
padding button on channel 1, to knotch it back 20DB just in case it was
hearing some electrical hiss/buzz noise, which is unlikely, but you never
know. Even doing all this, it did no baring. 10.0 still shows totally
acceptible, whilst 11.2 isn't.
I should add that there are no sends, and no plugins on the audio track in
PT which are giving me this issue with the meter. I know that the volume
fader on the track is output not my input volume, however, just to see if
something wasn't set right, I ran that fader all the way to minus infinity
yet it had no baring. I even muted the track. Again, I understand
totally that is dealing with output, not input, so that wouldn't have any
effect. I know, I know, I know. I did it just for the hell of it. I
figure I had nothing to lose.
Chris.
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