You ask a lot of questions, and I don’t have answers right now for most of them.

The only way to determine if Ballot 194 passed or failed is to figure out 
whether Microsoft’s vote did or did not count as valid under our Bylaws.  Some 
say it did count, some say no, and we don’t have any method in our Bylaws do 
determine conflicts like that.

I suppose someone could file a new Ballot to vote on “Did Microsoft’s vote on 
Ballot 194 comply with the Bylaws?” and we could get a final vote on that, 
which would settle the matter about Ballot 194.  (I tried to do that informally 
with the Doodle poll, but some people objected to that process.)

So I think we will have to settle for “Undetermined” or similar, and move on.

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I thought it was concluded that Ballot 194 had failed, but if there's still 
ambiguity, we should resolve that post-haste.

There's some important questions that arise from your answer:
1) What happens to the IP obligations of members for such "undetermined" 
ballots?
2) What happens for future ballots, should the situation arise?
3) What happens if Ballot 197 fails?
4) What constitutes the legitimate start of a Review Period? That is, does the 
mere act of the Chair sending such formally constitute such notice? Is this 
true even in question of the Bylaws?

I would hope such a Ballot would provide complete guidance on such matters, by 
addressing Ballot 194's status, the "Review Notice", the clarifications on 
voting (e.g. sent, submitted, posted, delivered, via shall all be measured by 
this means). As this would not affect any of the documents, we could complete 
such a vote within 14 days.

I'm curious whether there are any other concerns that such a Ballot should try 
to address so that there is no ambiguity whatsoever with respect to Ballot 
194's status, and which might serve as a model for the future in the 
determination of such ambiguity. This is similar to the readoption of our 
documents in Ballots 180 - 182, to attempt to resolve such ambiguities.




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