Hello! There has been progress. I'm very grateful to Adam Turner for creating an export a few days ago that I have been referring to.
To the point of Mats Wichmann: I understand it may be quixotic, but it's a funny time in history, wikis have a special role on the internet. It is understood (talking to Adam) that there may be a plan to upgrade to MoinMoin v2? Though parallel to this: is there a conversation somewhere about moving hosts or platforms? For example it was mentioned that assessing alternatives such as MediaWiki might be considered. Although is it the case that running the underlying infrastructure may not be straightforward? Hopefully it's not controversial to relay that stability of the site in my experience has been imperfect, though I'm based very far away from anywhere else, so it could just be my experience. *My question is*: Is there a way to loop in to or participate in conversation regarding the future for the python wiki? More importantly: is it to possibly help? Someone also recommended that I reach out to Ee as well, so I have done this (though they may be on this list but I am not sure). I have recently started a conversation with Keith ( https://github.com/KeithTheEE ) regarding the simultaneous interest in the wiki by the PSF Education & Outreach Workgroup (EOW). We are sharing our study/work. In contrast to Keith's work, my context is that I have an interest specifically in the maintenance of the areas around regional groups and somewhat around events. For example I see `wiki.python.org` as a potential source of truth/resource where user groups can start seeking refuge away from meetup.com, where meetup is a site that has demonstrated increasingly more problematic behaviour and which may soon become a meaningful financial burden for the PSF (I don't know this for sure, though have suspicions based on that startup's behaviour to date). Even more specifically for me: in the last few months (and ramping up this year) a team of us are proactively gathering together all of the python groups in my country. At this time there are many regional leaders (some of whom are cpython, etc contributors) are being brought together to share information: a resource/documentation gathering process is emerging whether we want it to or not. It would be ideal to capture this in a place of optimal value. I do not want to invent a new place. I want this place to be the official wiki. There are concerns (to Mat's points and more from within my local team) that the wiki as it is today is not a good fit to capture this information. But if not here, then where? Advice is appreciated. There is potential yet for `wiki.python.org`. A version that enjoys the rich interactions that many other pieces of the python community enjoy can be envisioned, such as the many projects listed here <https://github.com/orgs/python/repositories>, and personally I have a motivation (itch-to-scratch) to put efforts towards something like this. I'd be delighted for engagement regarding any of the above. Per the email subject line, a docs-auspiced wiki WG could be a good idea to unpack all this? Specifically to Marc-Andre Lemburg, any thoughts or insights you might have would be invaluable. Kindest possible regards, --- Elena Williams Github: elena <http://github.com/elena/> Discord: elequ https://fosstodon.org/@elena https://discuss.python.org/u/elena/ https://forum.djangoproject.com/u/elena/ ps.: For transparency, both for hobby/personal interest as well as for the purpose of doing background on our national-level efforts to bring together python users: over the last few months I've already spent some dozens of side-hours capturing, studying and parameterising the existing ` wiki.python.org` as exhaustively as I can (where this kind of work is an area of expertise for me). This includes the original email to this list. I have been discussing this work recently in Python Docs discord. pps.: Chris Angelico: if you are on this list: I believe you may be in my country (ie Australia), if so, and if you would like to be part of our national level efforts let us know and I can send you an invite. Many familiar python folk are there, though it's quite early days still. To any other people on the list who are based in Australia: if you have an interest let me know. On Sun, 9 Feb 2025 at 04:35, Mats Wichmann <m...@wichmann.us> wrote: > On 2/8/25 03:43, Marc-Andre Lemburg wrote: > > Hi Elena, > > > > I have already responded on Discourse: > > > > https://discuss.python.org/t/wiki-python-org-access-to-data-dump-of- > > contents/79878/3 > > > > If you want to become an editor of the wiki, please tell us you wiki > > user name. You could then help improve pages. > > > > On 08.02.2025 03:00, Elena Williams via pydotorg-www wrote: > >> Hi, > >> > >> This is following up and duplication (and extension) of the question > >> on the forum https://discuss.python.org/t/wiki-python-org-access-to- > >> data-dump-of-contents/79878 . > >> > >> Posting here on advice of Chris Angelico (Rosuav). > >> > >> I’m wondering if there’s an accessible dump of the data of > >> wiki.python.org <http://wiki.python.org>? > Unlike many content management systems, MoinMoin does not use a > "database" that you would dump in that sense, but rather a > filesystem-based storage scheme. That's moderately easy to transfer as > you can just unpack a tarball made of the data directory. Whether such a > thing exists, is considered shareable, or even whether it's any more use > than just wandering around the wiki using a web browser is questionable > (personally, I have No Idea). MoinMoin's own docs have something on the > storage layout: > > https://moinmo.in/MoinDev/Storage > > Personal opinion entirely: the way people interact with online media > evolves, and the wiki seems to be losing (or perhaps it's "has lost") > relevance just kind of organically, as has happened with mailing lists, > with usenet newsgroups, etc. There are still people who prefer older > ways and find the new ones less friendly to their familiar usage > patterns (I'm trying to head off a storm of complaints here - I happen > not to be particularly fond of "forum software" either, to cite the case > of python-dev list -> discuss.python.org). Not sure how much work > should be done to try to give the wiki a "new lease on life" to use your > expression, if today's readers don't prefer this form. After all, even > StackOverflow is starting to lose relevance as a resource. > > Pages that get any kind of regular attention are mostly resource lists - > editors, IDEs, training, books, user groups, consultants, web > frameworks, etc. and these seem to be good cases for retaining in a > community-curated place. Things that are more in the nature of > "documentation" have a risk of being poorly written, out of date, > littered with links that no longer work (and sometimes the sites linked > to have been taken over by {scam,spam)mers who serve up some less than > desirable content). > > >
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