FWIW (very little) I have worked in a couple of Django shops here in NYC,
and I find it hard to hire enough good Django devs because it's a
job-seeker's market here, and it seems Django is getting "boring" to a lot
of people.  One way companies compete for talent is by having more
interesting technologies in use. Pyramid might be a win in that regard.
But I have no experience hiring for Pyramid devs yet, so I really can't say
for sure - it's an untested hypothesis.

On Tue, Dec 9, 2014 at 11:04 AM, Paul Everitt <[email protected]>
wrote:

> I think this is a reasonable and useful post. Likely moreso than this
> response. :)
>
> It’s quite useful to look at the “whole product” instead of just the
> “product” (to use jargon from Crossing the Chasm.) Can you get enough
> ecosystem for the surface area of the thing you are using?
>
> One factor that mitigates against this, though, is when you are building
> your own thing with its own surface area. If your thing is small, and most
> of the surface area you need to deal with is in Pyramid/Rails/Django/Flask,
> then that’s the place you need sanity.
>
> But if *your* thing has a big surface area, then *your* thing needs
> sanity. Pyramid is very good at this framework-framework picture, helping
> you build your own thing that is sane.
>
> Not only that, but Pyramid by definition attracts people to its community
> that care about those issues: scalable, maintainable systems that are
> well-built by adults. Other systems might win on quantity, but a
> distressingly high percentage of those have a distressingly naive worldview.
>
> —Paul
>
> On Dec 9, 2014, at 10:52 AM, Jacob Hite <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> Building a startup with a small team, how to decide between using Pyramid
> (or possibly Django) or Ruby?
>
> This may be an impossible question to answer and I'm probably asking on a
> biased list.
>
> I've worked a lot before on Pyramid and generally like it. It was fast and
> very flexible, but missing some things (Django's admin...). The missing
> things though are usually the key to Pyramid's flexiblity. There also seems
> to be some cruft left over from repoze and other stuff that seem out of
> place and ugly in the elegant Pyramid world.
>
> I've never written any Ruby or RoR other than trivial tutorial code, but
> it seems fine and just as sufficient as Pyramid. I do slightly prefer
> Python language syntax, but I can get over that.
>
> My main concern is working with a framework that has a great online
> community and actively moving forward and has lots of experienced
> developers to hire from.
>
> When I look at Google and Github trends and look at StackOverflow tags,
> RoR overwhelmingly beats Pyramid. I think this is due to Python being so
> fractured. Many competing frameworks (Django, Pyramid, Flask, Bottle, etc,
> etc) probably lower Pyramid's trend and tag levels. Django certainly
> dominates Python web frameworks.
>
> In Github I still see lots of active commits to Pyramid. But I'm a bit
> concerned, and I can speak personally on this...most of the most big name,
> active Pyramid contributers seemed to have disappeared from answering
> questions on StackOverflow.
>
> I guess I'm trying to get a solid handle on the current state and progress
> of Pyramid. Can anyone point me in the right direction here?
>
> Is it time to slide over to Django or make the jump to RoR?
>
> I have a personal preference for Pyramid because of positive past
> experiences with it and lack of experience with other frameworks. But this
> isn't about me. This is about building out a startup company quickly and
> being able to attract experienced talent with the decided on technologies.
>
> Apologies for the long-winded, open-ended question, but I would appreciate
> any responses that can give me a 'heartbeat' on the current Pyramid state
> of the union.
>
> Many thanks in advance.
>
>
>
>
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