On Sat, 29 Sep 2018 at 11:04, Nathaniel Smith <n...@pobox.com> wrote: > > On Sat, Sep 29, 2018 at 1:53 AM, Nick Coghlan <ncogh...@gmail.com> wrote: > > This is exactly the kind of arbitrary decision making by an insufficiently > > representative group that led to us banning making any binding decisions at > > language summits: their in-person nature means that they're inherently > > exclusive environments that lead to requirements being overlooked and > > decisions being made without involving most of the people affected. > > Did you see Brett's email here, especially the last few paragraphs? > > https://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-committers/2018-September/006100.html > > I don't know how the Discourse experiment will turn out, and I know it > won't make everyone happy, but I hope it works. Because we *know* that > what we're doing now is making people miserable and driving them away. > The push to try Discourse may or may not be misguided, but it's not > coming out of a few people having a whim over lunch together.
Who's "we"? I thought I was part of "we" when it came to the Python core dev team... > P.S.: I found that link using my usual method for finding mailing list > archive links, which is: first I did a search in my local MUA, found > the email I wanted, noted the date, then manually went to the mailing > list archives and clicked through the messages around that date until > I found it. This *sucks*. But at least it was *possible*. Personally I do a Google search rather than using my MUA, but the point is that while it's clumsy, it's known technology. I don't even know how I'd find a link to an old message in Discourse, but I assume it's not searchable via Google? Sure, I can learn. But how about a member of the general public (after all, python-committers is supposed to be restricted for posting, but publicly visible)? On Sat, 29 Sep 2018 at 10:40, Łukasz Langa <luk...@langa.pl> wrote: > > Hold on. Out of the 30-something committers active in the past two releases, > 20-something were at the sprint. (I can pull more detailed stats but I'm on > the phone now.) Setting up Discourse with the intent of replacing the mailing > lists met no opposition at the sprint. By all counts, the group was > sufficiently representative and involved most of the people affected. Hold on in return. Are committers *not* active in the past two releases not considered? Your figures seem biased. (Was I part of that 30? I committed some changes in the last 2 releases. Barely anything, and I do *not* consider myself very active in terms of code changes, but how many tiers are we working with here? People who were at the sprints, people "active in the past 2 releases", "the rest"? I don't want to seem to accuse people of agendas - everyone's acting in the best interests of the community - but it does feel like the community is fragmenting at the moment :-( Paul _______________________________________________ python-committers mailing list python-committers@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-committers Code of Conduct: https://www.python.org/psf/codeofconduct/
