Hello, Shouldn't such feedback be also cross-posted to the python-dev mailing list? Also note the original pull request, https://github.com/python/peps/pull/1470, and differences of what was written in the pull request description and what went in the commit message.
On Sun, 28 Jun 2020 22:10:14 +0200 "Giampaolo Rodola'" <g.rod...@gmail.com> wrote: > From: > https://github.com/python/peps/commit/0c6427dcec1e98ca0bd46a876a7219ee4a9347f4 > > > Instead of requiring that comments be written in Strunk & White > > Standard > English, require instead that English-language comments be clear and > easily understandable by other English speakers. This accomplishes > the same goal without upholding relics of white supremacy. Many > native English speakers do not use Standard English as their native > dialect, so requiring conformation to Standard English centers > whiteness in an inappropriate and unnecessary way, and can alienate > and put up barriers for people of color and those whose native > dialect of English is not Standard English. This change is a simple > way to correct that while maintaining the original intent of the > requirement. > > This has nothing to do with making the wording "clear and > understandable" (I agree on that). It's about, once again, bringing > race-based politics into Python, and spreading hate towards a > specific group of people: whites. Whether you're aware of it or not, > there is a term for this: it's racism. I want to remind everyone that > most of us here simply want to contribute code. We do it for free, > and don't want to be involved in "this", because frankly it's > disgusting. Doing something out of passion and for free, and at the > same time seeing these sorts of things happening on a regular basis, > looks and feels like an insult, and will only lead to people leaving > this place. > > On Fri, Jun 26, 2020 at 11:27 PM Keara Berlin <kearaber...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > > Hi all, this is a very small change, but I thought I would field it > > here to see if anyone has suggestions or ideas. Instead of > > requiring that comments be written in Strunk & White Standard > > English, PEP-8 should require instead that English-language > > comments be clear and easily understandable by other English > > speakers. This accomplishes the same goal without alienating or > > putting up barriers for people (especially people of color) whose > > native dialect of English is not Standard English. This change is a > > simple way to correct that while maintaining the original intent of > > the requirement. This change may even make the requirement more > > clear to people who are not familiar with Strunk & White, since for > > programmers, the main relevant aspect of that standard is "be clear > > and concise;" simply saying that instead of referencing Strunk & > > White may communicate this more effectively. Here is the current > > line in PEP-8: "When writing English, follow Strunk and White." > > I propose changing this line to "When writing English, ensure that > > your comments are clear and easily understandable to other English > > speakers." _______________________________________________ > > Python-ideas mailing list -- python-id...@python.org > > To unsubscribe send an email to python-ideas-le...@python.org > > https://mail.python.org/mailman3/lists/python-ideas.python.org/ > > Message archived at > > https://mail.python.org/archives/list/python-id...@python.org/message/AE2M7KOIQR37K3XSQW7FSV5KO4LMYHWX/ > > Code of Conduct: http://python.org/psf/codeofconduct/ > > > > > -- > Giampaolo - gmpy.dev <https://gmpy.dev/about> -- Best regards, Paul mailto:pmis...@gmail.com _______________________________________________ Python-Dev mailing list -- email@example.com To unsubscribe send an email to python-dev-le...@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman3/lists/python-dev.python.org/ Message archived at https://firstname.lastname@example.org/message/66T2R6G3YMX25LYVBHVLGGCREP2AYA7R/ Code of Conduct: http://python.org/psf/codeofconduct/