On Fri, Oct 9, 2020 at 5:34 AM Christian Heimes <christ...@python.org> wrote:
> On 09/10/2020 04.04, Ivan Pozdeev via Python-Dev wrote: > > I don't see the point of requiring to "write an apology", especially > > *before a 12-month ban*. If they understand that their behavior is > > wrong, there's no need for a ban, at least not such a long one; if they > > don't, they clearly aren't going to write it, at least not now (they > > might later, after a few weeks or months, having cooled down and thought > > it over). So all it would achieve is public shaming AFAICS. Same issue > > with the threat of "zero tolerance policy" -- it's completely > > unnecessary and only serves to humiliate and alienate the recipient. > > > I have been the victim of Stefan's CoC violations on more than one > occasion. He added me to nosy list of a ticket just to offend and > humiliate me. For this reason I personally asked the SC to make a > sincere apology a mandatory requirement for Stefan's reinstatement as a > core dev. > > I would have been fine with a private apology. However Stefan has also > verbally attacked non-core contributors. In one case another core dev > and I contacted the contribute in private to apologize and ensure that > the contributor was not alienated by Stefan's attitude. Therefore it > makes sense that the SC has requested a public, general apology. > > Why are you more concerned with the reputation of a repeated offender > and not with the feelings of multiple victims of harassment? As a victim > of Stefan's behavior I feel that an apology is the first step to > reconcile and rebuild trust. > I think another way to view it is an apology shows intent to improve. I'm not sure how universal it is, but in North America it's common to teach kids that the first thing they do when they have been mean to someone is to apologize to demonstrate remorse and to reinforce that what the child did was wrong. In this instance there were multiple people that Stefan was mean to and with enough severity to warrant an apology. I would also argue that the fact that all of these acts against others occurred publicly suggests that the apology should also be public.
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