For this particular case, is there someone generous enough (or, can someone apply for a PSF grant) to ship Mathieu a DVD/two/flash drive? On Feb 26, 2016 12:18 PM, "Mathieu Dupuy" <deron...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi. > I am currently working on adding some functionality on a standard > library module (http://bugs.python.org/issue15873). The Python part > went fine, but now I have to do the C counterpart, and I have ran into > in several problems, which, stacked up, are a huge obstacle to easily > contribute further. Currently, despite I could work, I can't go > further > on my patch. > > I am currently working in very limited network, CPU and time > ressources* which are quite uncommon in the western world, but are > much less in the rest of the world. I have a 2GB/month mobile data > plan and a 100KB/s speed. For the C part of my patch, I should > download Visual Studio. The Express Edition 2015 is roughly 9GB. I > can't afford that. > > I downloaded Virtualbox and two Linux netinstall (Ubuntu 15.10 and > Fedora 23). Shortly, I couldn't get something working quickly and > simply (quickly = less than 2 hours, downloading time NOT included, > which is anyway way too already much). What went wrong and why it went > wrong could be a whole new thread and is outside of the scope of this > message. > Let me precise this : at my work I use many virtualbox instances > automatically fired and run in parallel to test new deployments and > run unittests. I like this tool, > but despite its simple look, it (most of the time) can not be used > simply by a profane. The concepts it requires you to understand are > not intuitive at first sight and there is *always* a thing that go > wrong (guest additions, mostly).(for example : Ubuntu and Virtualbox > shipped for a moment a broken version of mount.vboxsf, preventing > sharing folder to mount. Despite it's fixed, the broken releases > spread everywhere and you may encounter them a lot in various Ubuntu > and Virtualbox version. I downloaded the last versions of both and I > am yet infected. https://www.virtualbox.org/ticket/12879). I could do > whole new thread on why you can't ask newcomers to use Virtualbox > (currently, at least). > > I ran into is a whole patch set to make CPython compile on MinGW > (https://bugs.python.org/issue3871#msg199695). But it is not denying > it's very experimental, and I know I would again spent useless hours > trying to get it work rather than joyfully improving Python, and > that's exactly what I do not want to happen. > > Getting ready to contribute to CPython pure python modules from an > standard, average mr-everyone Windows PC for a beginner-to-medium > contributor only require few megabytes of internet and few minutes of his > time: getting a tarball of CPython sources (or cloning the github CPython > mirror)**, a basic text editor and msys-git. The step further, if doing > some -even basic- C code is required, implies downloading 9GB of Visual > Studio and countless hours for it to be ready to use. > I think downloading the whole Visual Studio suite is a huge stopper to > contribute further for an average medium-or-below-contributor. > > I think (and I must not be the only one since CPython is to be moved > to github), that barriers to contribute to CPython should be set to > the lowest. > Of course my situation is a bit special but I think it represents > daily struggle of a *lot* of non-western programmer (at least for > limited internet)(even here in Australia, landline limited internet > connections are very common). > It's not a big deal if the MinGW result build is twenty time slower or > if some of the most advanced modules can't be build. But everyone > programmer should be able to easily make some C hacks and get them to > work. > > Hoping you'll be receptive to my pleas, > Cheers > > > * I am currently picking fruits in the regional Australia. I live in a van > and have internet through with smartphone through an EDGE connection. I can > plug the laptop in the farm but not in the van. > ** No fresh programmer use mercurial unless he has a gun pointed on his > head. > _______________________________________________ > Python-Dev mailing list > Python-Dev@python.org > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev > Unsubscribe: > https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/leewangzhong%2Bpython%40gmail.com >
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