The 9 gig initial download is not the only problem. Visual studio is
very bandwidth hungry in day to day operations (between polling websites
and vcs remotes, near constant updating, integration with the VS web
service, etc.). You can of course shut all of that off, but it's a
pain. It's my understanding from Steve's post that a leaner, meaner
edition of VS is in the works, so waiting for that might just be an
overall better solution.
On 2/27/2016 16:27, Franklin? Lee wrote:
For this particular case, is there someone generous enough (or, can
someone apply for a PSF grant) to ship Mathieu a DVD/two/flash drive?
On Feb 26, 2016 12:18 PM, "Mathieu Dupuy" <deron...@gmail.com
<mailto:deron...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Hi.
I am currently working on adding some functionality on a standard
library module (http://bugs.python.org/issue15873). The Python part
went fine, but now I have to do the C counterpart, and I have ran into
in several problems, which, stacked up, are a huge obstacle to easily
contribute further. Currently, despite I could work, I can't go
further
on my patch.
I am currently working in very limited network, CPU and time
ressources* which are quite uncommon in the western world, but are
much less in the rest of the world. I have a 2GB/month mobile data
plan and a 100KB/s speed. For the C part of my patch, I should
download Visual Studio. The Express Edition 2015 is roughly 9GB. I
can't afford that.
I downloaded Virtualbox and two Linux netinstall (Ubuntu 15.10 and
Fedora 23). Shortly, I couldn't get something working quickly and
simply (quickly = less than 2 hours, downloading time NOT included,
which is anyway way too already much). What went wrong and why it went
wrong could be a whole new thread and is outside of the scope of this
message.
Let me precise this : at my work I use many virtualbox instances
automatically fired and run in parallel to test new deployments and
run unittests. I like this tool,
but despite its simple look, it (most of the time) can not be used
simply by a profane. The concepts it requires you to understand are
not intuitive at first sight and there is *always* a thing that go
wrong (guest additions, mostly).(for example : Ubuntu and Virtualbox
shipped for a moment a broken version of mount.vboxsf, preventing
sharing folder to mount. Despite it's fixed, the broken releases
spread everywhere and you may encounter them a lot in various Ubuntu
and Virtualbox version. I downloaded the last versions of both and I
am yet infected. https://www.virtualbox.org/ticket/12879). I could do
whole new thread on why you can't ask newcomers to use Virtualbox
(currently, at least).
I ran into is a whole patch set to make CPython compile on MinGW
(https://bugs.python.org/issue3871#msg199695). But it is not denying
it's very experimental, and I know I would again spent useless hours
trying to get it work rather than joyfully improving Python, and
that's exactly what I do not want to happen.
Getting ready to contribute to CPython pure python modules from an
standard, average mr-everyone Windows PC for a beginner-to-medium
contributor only require few megabytes of internet and few minutes
of his
time: getting a tarball of CPython sources (or cloning the github
CPython
mirror)**, a basic text editor and msys-git. The step further, if
doing
some -even basic- C code is required, implies downloading 9GB of
Visual
Studio and countless hours for it to be ready to use.
I think downloading the whole Visual Studio suite is a huge stopper to
contribute further for an average medium-or-below-contributor.
I think (and I must not be the only one since CPython is to be moved
to github), that barriers to contribute to CPython should be set to
the lowest.
Of course my situation is a bit special but I think it represents
daily struggle of a *lot* of non-western programmer (at least for
limited internet)(even here in Australia, landline limited internet
connections are very common).
It's not a big deal if the MinGW result build is twenty time slower or
if some of the most advanced modules can't be build. But everyone
programmer should be able to easily make some C hacks and get them to
work.
Hoping you'll be receptive to my pleas,
Cheers
* I am currently picking fruits in the regional Australia. I live
in a van
and have internet through with smartphone through an EDGE
connection. I can
plug the laptop in the farm but not in the van.
** No fresh programmer use mercurial unless he has a gun pointed
on his
head.
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