Seriously, how could you use linux for webdevelopment without virtualisation for a "normal" market?
As long as 60-80% of the users (based on the market) used an internet explorer, there is no way around testing your pages/apps with that browser. And as sooner as better (I made the mistake of testing it late in development only one time...). Even with qooxdoo there are a lot of problems with IE... So you have the choose: 1. Windows with Cygwin 2. Windows with Virtualization 3. Linux with Virtualization I wont bet on IE with wine, I found different behavior to a "real" windows too often. Also vmware gives you 95% of the speed for most non-heavy hdd usage applications that don't do much graphic. And to be the base for qooxdoo development you need only an extrem small linux with python, autotools, qooxdoo, smb and apache and everything is perfect. No gui needed, not much hdd usage. You won't even feel the difference to a normal standalone development server. I use three different plattforms (based on my need): 1. Windows with Cygwin 2. Windows with Linux in VMWare 3. Pure Linux And all of them runs perfectly (I never had the problem with cygwin written here, and I use it for 1 1/2 year now :) ). Greetings, Leander Ralf Nieuwenhuijsen schrieb: > Seriously, what is the fear of linux? > People preferring to mess with virtualisation.. (well at least the > suggest vmware isn't a performance hog) > Still, installing VMWare or Cygwin is much more difficult than just > installing a decent modern linux distrobution. > > Using the two operating systems side by side might have some > advantages, but likely just using linux for all development work is > much a saner path. I guess, it's hard to explain the power of having > all your tools integrated and having the freedom to tweak/change > everything.. > > This is not meant to condemn windows as a developer unfriendly > platform, but i simply do not understand the advocasy of jumping > through hoops to stick with an operating system that is not designed > to facilitate that. The only way to have any decent development > environment on windows, it seems, is to use some sort of > mega-uber-IDE. Where the ide almost has all features you would expect > a decent operating system to provide and integrate. > > I guess all i'm trying to say, that in the long run, do yourself a > favor and try linux as a _desktop_ platform for development. It keeps > you sane. > > Greetings, > Ralf N. > > 2008/5/4 Stéphane ERARD <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > >> At least, for those having one (good, latest) computer, would use vmware >> server (free virtualization program). >> Can virtualize many linux distribs and very pretty good features for >> starters (snapshots, copy/paste vm dir to save it in another place). >> >> Cheers >> >> 2008/5/4 Jim Hunter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: >> >> >> >>> Odd, I have been using cygwin for the past couple of years and have had 0 >>> >> issues. I only use it to make the project. I do everything else in Windows. >> All of my editing and SVN stuff is done in Windows where I am most >> comfortable. When I have everything ready, I pop over to the cygwin window >> and type 'make build'. I don't think it can get any easier then that. The >> only issue I have ever had was installing cygwin when I failed to follow >> directions correctly. If you are good at reading, apparently I am not, then >> cygwin works as designed. >> >>> Jim >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Sun, May 4, 2008 at 9:19 AM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> >>> >>>> Kirk: >>>> >>>> I can only agree with you regarding cygwin that it is *functional*. >>>> >> I've justed completed the PyQooxCard wiki page at: >> >>>> http://sites.google.com/e/qxtransformer.org/qxtransformer/qpc >>>> >>>> Take at look at the last section (bottom of the page). >>>> >>>> In the one week or so working with cygwin under Windows XP, I had to >>>> >> either re-create the qxtransformer project, or re-install qooxdoo (or both) >> over a dozen times. As far as I can determine, the most common cause was >> that some part of cygwin crapped out with "unable to allocate heap" message >> and somehow damaged qooxdoo files somewhere. Other times, I believe make is >> simply confused and didn't perform the make process as completely as it >> should. Either way, it is not very pleasant. I like to be able to say >> otherwise. >> >>>> >>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>>> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On >>>>> Behalf Of Kirk Abbott >>>>> Sent: Sunday, May 04, 2008 6:26 AM >>>>> To: qooxdoo Development >>>>> Subject: Re: [qooxdoo-devel] Setting a Unix environment, the easy way >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Hello All, >>>>> >>>>> While I cannot comment on the VirtualPC stuff or emulators etc. I can >>>>> comment on cygwin. It works! We have been using cygwin for over a >>>>> decade and it allows to seamless move back and forth between our Unix >>>>> & Windows boxes. >>>>> >>>> -- >>>> John Henry >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >>>> This SF.net email is sponsored by the 2008 JavaOne(SM) Conference >>>> Don't miss this year's exciting event. 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