Rob, you might be right ... that build process might be the thing that stops
most developers from using qooxdoo. I mean, on Windows you have to install
python in order to build the application ...
It's a good thing i'm on Linux :-) here python is preinstalled. I mean in order
to use JQuery you don't have to install anything on your computer ... I guess
qooxdoo is different here, but it's better i have to say, since the code is
obfuscated (protected).
I'm really interested in a qooxdoo app that acts as an IDE for qooxdoo, by the
way, what IDE's do you guys use?
Thanks,
Tancredi-Paul Grozav
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De la: Robert Nimax <robert.ni...@inform-software.com>
Către: 'qooxdoo Development' <qooxdoo-devel@lists.sourceforge.net>
Trimis: Joi, 18 Aprilie 2013 16:03:45
Subiect: Re: [qooxdoo-devel] Răspuns: Question
Hi all,
I think, the big benefit is the qooxdoo core development team. There are really
good developers, architects and so on working every day on that framework.
Qooxdoo is driven by industry and that makes the difference to a lot of other
open source frameworks out there. Even if you´d choose Microsoft or any other
big player technologies, you can´t be sure that it will be supported in the
future. Decisions like that are a game of pure chance. But you got the source
code and qooxdoo sources are very professional, that is, you will be able to
read and understand the source code. I have been thinking about founding
something like a rescue company, so everyone who like and needs qooxdoo can
take part und help to keep this framework alive - in case that 1&1 would stop
this framework. What do you guys think about it ?
The qooxdoo approach is kind of unconventional (OO, Build process, ...) or
let´s say offbeat in comparison to other javascript frameworks that are
unobtrusive. This is hard to understand for other developers and maybe they
just don´t get direct access to that framework because they are blinded by
their habits.
Cheers,
Rob.
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Von: Werner Thie [mailto:wer...@thieprojects.ch]
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 18. April 2013 14:43
An: Robert Nimax; qooxdoo Development; tedi tedi
Betreff: Re: [qooxdoo-devel] Răspuns: Question
Hi
so, only what the masses use (and understand) is good?
That's why PHP (Pretty Home Page, tsk) has such a following, being what BASIC
was in the seventies of the previous millenium?
With your gauges adjusted like that, you have to seek elsewhere, but looking at
it from an efficiency standpoint then:
- Qooxdoo is probably the soundest framework in JS-land because it is
technically and conceptually clean and mature.
- It is also very lenient and easy to combine with other JS libraries,
frameworks and concepts, without selling your soul to qooxdoo.
- It has a very predictable growth path, with almost no technical hurdles in my
way for the last five years, allowing me to keep everything up to date on the
route to HTML5/CSS3
- If 1&1 pulls the plug, you've got a least one to two years to bail out and
find the next best framework. After all, this is OpenSource!
My two cents of course, I run quite a few commercial websites in the card game
area with more than 60k games played to the end per day, all done with qx,
allowing me to concentrate on developing new stuff instead of worrying about a
leap frogging library underneath. What I don't do and what my customers also do
not want, is promoting qooxdoo and bragging about it, we use it - with all the
thanks going to a great maintainer team and 1&1 for keeping them alive!
Mahalo and have fun, Werner
On 4/18/13 11:41 AM, tedi tedi wrote:
> Yes, the name might make some people think it's not serious enough,
> cause it sounds funny and some don't know how to pronounce it.
>
> Anyway, I guess I'm measuring the popularity of a framework by how
> many applications are out there, created with that framework.
>
> I did see some writen in GWT ( not created by google ), and I
> understand that there are a lot of people knowing Java, but i think
> there is a good majority of people that use Apache as a webserver, and
> not Apache Tomcat, and GWT kind of requires servlets, i mean you could
> talk with a PHP server script, but you lose all the beauty of the
> framework. So I guess that's why I don't like GWT.
>
> I also saw a lot of applications or modules created with ExtJS, I also
> heard about people that were looking for ExtJS developers.
>
> I didn't find a qooxdoo application out there, that's still in use. I
> know about the list that's on the site (
> http://qooxdoo.org/community/real_life_examples ) but that's not
> enough
>
> I'm a bit worried about the fact that 1and1 does not use qooxdoo on
> their website, I mean their Control Panel, for thier hosting service.
> And i'm worried that qooxdoo is almost 7 years old now, and it still
> has such a small comunity. Maybe it's going to die at some time, or
> maybe
> 1&1 will stop investing in it
>
> I mean, when Adobe made Flex (or ActionScript) there were a lot of
> people that made a lot of small applications using their tool, but
> qooxdoo is used only by you guys, Why isn't there a company that
> relies on qooxdoo? SPAR's online store doesn't use qooxdoo anymore and
> lots of link from the real_live_examples are dead.
>
> Those are not good signs, as much as I really like qooxdoo.
>
> PS: Only one book writen about qx? :-\
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> -- *De la:* thron7 <thomas.herchenroe...@1und1.de>
> *Către:* qooxdoo Development <qooxdoo-devel@lists.sourceforge.net>
> *Trimis:* Joi, 18 Aprilie 2013 12:04:24
> *Subiect:* Re: [qooxdoo-devel] Question
>
>
> On 04/17/2013 01:02 PM, tedi tedi wrote:
>> How come qooxdoo is not as popular as GWT or ExtJS ?
>
> That's a tough question to answer. You don't get much feedback from
> people that decide against a technology ;-). It's also a question
> about how you measure being popular. You could say popularity for a JS
> framework is measured by the number of *developers* using it to create
> applications. Being a deverloper tool that would be a decent measure
> of popularity in my view. But you could also say it's the number of
> *users* using applications written with qooxdoo. Wouldn't an
> application with a million users speak towards the underlying
> framework?! And in the latter respect I think qooxdoo doesn't fare that badly.
>
> But even if you stick with the #developers measure - how do you assess
> it?! Number of downloads of the SDK?! Number of queries on Google?! If
> you e.g. look at Google Trends you will find that the number of
> queries related to Perl have significantly decreased over the years.
> Does that mean the number of developers has decreased, or fallen below
> all other scripting languages? Or just that it has become so easy and
> common-sense to go directly to the relevant information that fewer
> people need to search for it?! Python and Ruby on the other hand have
> relatively stable query counts over the last years. Does that mean
> their user bases have stalled?!
>
> Anyway, I would tend to think that there are fewer developers using
> qooxdoo than GWT or ExtJS. With GWT it's easy to explain as GWT is a
> strong web development platform for *Java* programmers. Alll shops
> with Java skills would naturally slant towards GWT. I'm not so sure
> about ExtJS. I don't think it is about technical merits (nor about
> marketing efforts as some people have it). Rather, my impression is
> far fewer people take a deeper look at qooxdoo. Maybe things like the
> name, the class and developement model or the intertwining with the
> tool chain alienate people on first sight, especially when they live
> west of the Atlantic. Which is a catalyst market for many things in IT.
>
> T.
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