I've personally been administering dozens of MoinMoin wikis for many years (5, 6, 7?) internally at IONA, and I've always liked it. It's written in very clean Python, has an easily understood architecture, has been innovating in the WikiWiki space for years, is used across the Web by a wide variety of projects, has an active community behind it, and is easily extended with both new functionality under the covers (Python) and with different looks (stylesheets, etc.). A wide variety of themes and plugins are available for MoinMoin.

I have personally never used Confluence, but it's used by some other OSS projects we're involved in, and my colleagues who now use it seem to think it's OK.

The only pushback I get at IONA against MoinMoin is from some of our non-technical people. They don't grok Wiki markup and so would prefer a GUI editor, but MoinMoin only recently added one so it's had a few minor bugs, most of which seem to be cleaned up by now.

MoinMoin is also a "pure" OSS project in that I'm unaware of any corporate interests directly profiting from it. The same cannot be said for Confluence. Frankly, I'm surprised that Apache even allows it.

The claims that Confluence makes regarding their functionality "around the edges" vs. what actually works also seems to be somewhat in question. For example, they claim to be able to generate PDF, but over on the CeltiXfire list, there was a discussion about this recently and it turns out that the feature doesn't actually work. I personally don't know whether it does or doesn't, but either way I don't think the Qpid project should be debugging such features for the company that sells Confluence.

Obviously I'll conform to whatever our project ultimately chooses, but that's my 2 cents based on many years of completely positive experiences with MoinMoin as both a user and an admin.

--steve

On Sep 22, 2006, at 5:54 PM, Robert Greig wrote:

On 22/09/06, Alan Conway <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
I voted MoinMoin because I've used it before and liked it, I don't know
much about confluence.

I did a lot of the legwork in rolling out Confluence within JPMC (our
instance currently has over 4000 registered users, none of whom was
forced to use it by any corporate diktats so it's been popular with
developers).

I have done some searches to read about the feature set of MoinMoin
and to be honest I think there is not really very much in terms of
core functionality to differentiate them. If you like MoinMoin I can
pretty much guarantee you will like Confluence.

I would say that from the sites I have seen, Confluence can generate
more attractive sites - whether this is because the defaults are
better with Confluence or because it is easier to customise I don't
know. The attractiveness of the site is less important for our basic
collaboration but is obviously extremely important for the static site
which may be people's first contact point with Qpid.

RG

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