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And I was just pointing out I knew that when I wrote it.
I'm glad we're together on the whole process of ivf and the whole picture but I didn't say it should be ended I was asking why shouldn't they be able to research something that they planned on destroying in the first place.
Regardless how it was created it's already there!
How can a man have more compassion for something in a petri dish than the millions of people suffering.
I know Bush won't change his mind and I admire the way he stands solid on his beliefs and odds are he'll be here for 4 more years I just wish he would take a look around and see how much this could accomplish.
I'm not really concerned about my situation, I've come to the conclusion this research most likely won't be able to prop me up but what about the kids?
I know a child—well, she must be 13 now—I’d better call her a young woman. She has fingers and toes. She has a mind. She has memories. She has hopes. And she has juvenile diabetes.
Like so many kids with this disease, she has adjusted amazingly well. The insulin pump she wears—she’s decorated hers with rhinestones. She can insert her own catheter needle. She has learned to sleep through the blood drawings in the wee hours of the morning. She’s very brave. She is also quite bright and understands full well the progress of her disease and what that might ultimately mean: blindness, amputation, diabetic coma. Every day, she fights to have a future.
What excuse will we offer this young woman should we fail her now? What might we tell her children? Or the millions of others who suffer? That when given an opportunity to help, we turned away? That facing political opposition, we lost our nerve? That even though we knew better, we did nothing?
Ron Reagan
Mark
-------Original Message-------
Date: Thursday, October 14, 2004 4:06:12 PM
Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] Political Garbage, & False Logic .... Reaction to: Communist Party Endorsement Kerry/Edwards
At 12:51 PM 10/14/2004, QuadPirate wrote:
Well Jim I thought my comment about sperm being a human life was an obvious joke but I guess not.
There was clearly a punch line.
<sigh> I was just pointing out that a sperm is not a human life so you didn't have to be concerned about ending up in Lucipher's house, at least over sperm. That was my point.
If the process of ivf destroys more human life than it creates it should be abolished altogether.
It seems to me they knowingly are going to destroy human life to give a couple a child so how is this any different than researching the left over embryo to give millions of people relief from suffering and death.
I agree, IVF should be ended. I said that a few days ago responding to Mark Felling when he said
- I believe it would be immoral to create more embryos for the research. In fact, if you want to attack the morality of the situation you must attack the practices of the fertility clinics. Focus on the problem at its source not the results.
If a couple can not conceive a child the natural way then they can adopt an unwanted child that otherwise would have been aborted. IVF results with excess embryos and multiple births. The current supply of extra embryos original created for IVF should be donated to other couples to use for IVF and no more should be created.
Here's a thought, if Bush would've been President when scientist were researching ivf which would have destroyed many embryos without any births would he have blocked Federal Funds for ivf research?
I see no difference.
He probably would have, it seems constant with his views.
Jim
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