Angie,
I don't know how much you watch the news, but everyday there seems to
be someone who is forced to apologies for calling someone a racial
slur or homosexual slur. So what makes it okay to demean and insult
someone's religious beliefs? We were having a civil debate on
embryonic stem cells where people were voicing why they were for or
against it, without insulting each other or someone's beliefs.
Jim
At 10:25 AM 4/10/2007, Angie Novak wrote:
I disagree. Even hate speech falls under freedom of speech. If it
didn't, people would be in jail for just speaking their
minds. That's not America.
Jim Lubin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
You can't use "freedom of speech" to justify hate speech. It was
completely uncalled for, as were most of his other rants.
At 07:37 AM 4/10/2007, Angie Novak wrote:
Freedom of speech, Dan T.
-Angie
Dan T <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
John, you're getting offensive... Dan T.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I think the excess eggs should be served at communion. Like the
caviar of Christ or something. Maybe add a caudacill from Mary
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So what do you do with the thousands of excess fertilized eggs that
result from in vitro fertilization? Store them forever? Ban the
process? These excess eggs are thrown into the garbage everyday yet
I don't hear anyone complaining. So what's your answer.
Dan
At 07:50 PM 4/7/2007 -0700, Jim Lubin said something that elicited
my response:
Glad to see you partly agree with me Dan. (yes I realize you were
being sarcastic) I don't agree with the part about having
elaborate funerals and burying them, but yes we must not destroy
unused fertilized eggs created for IVF treatments.
Using unused embryos is not the same as organ donation because
organ donor are dead before organs are harvested. Removing stem
cells from an embryo kills the embryo.
I've listened to Dr Kerr from Johns Hopkins talk a few times about
his research. <http://www.hopkinsneuro.org/tm/>http://www.hopkinsneuro.org/tm/
watch his presentation at the 2006 symposium here
<http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2767307331641285489&hl=en>http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2767307331641285489&hl=en
he mentioned that they want to use the embryos created for IVF
that are deformed (something to that effect) and can not be used
for in-vitro treatment. Now I can go along with using those that
could not be used to result in a pregnancy.
I agree with S. 30: A bill to intensify research to derive human
pluripotent stem cell lines
At 06:35 PM 4/7/2007, Dan wrote:
Yes, yes, yes! We must not destroy all those useless fertilized
eggs. We should let them perish on their own and then we should
have an elaborate funeral and bury them in a tiny little plot of
earth. AND we must not allow abortion at ANY cost. Thank you
Jesus! Hallelujah!
Dan, who always gives great credence to anything authored by a reverend.
At 06:15 PM 4/7/2007 -0700, Jim Lubin said something that
elicited my response:
SIX STEM CELL FACTS
There are non-controversial alternatives worth exploring; such
as the reprogramming of ordinary somatic (body) cells, the
derivation of stem cells from amniotic fluid, and (assuming that
it can be shown that the product is not an embryo), altered nuclear transfer.
Concerns about embryo destruction are not only religious; but
merely a healthy respect for the human capacity for doing evil
in pursuit of the good.
The search for cures is not the only motive behind ESC
research,; many scientists are interested only in enhancing
basic scientific knowledge of such things as cell signaling,
tissue growth and early human development.
Source: Robert P. George and Thomas V. Berg, "Six Stem Cell
Facts," Wall Street Journal, March 14, 2007.
For text:
<http://online.wsj.com/article/SB117384191108736444.html>http://online.wsj.com/article/SB117384191108736444.html
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