On 12/26/2016 08:30 PM, Drew White wrote:

On Thursday, 3 October 2013 08:52:22 UTC+10, Mailbe User  wrote:
I think the hardest problem here is people putting aside their distro war 
differences.

Here I see Joanna mention this; 'it should have the latest Desktop Environment 
and Xorg drivers to make the GUI look slick'.

No offense intended for you Joanna but I hope that was meant as a joke. Just 
because you have the latest DE and up to date system does not mean it works 
good at all.

People seem to be FORGET one simple thing ----> STABILITY!

Without Stability none of it matters if your always running into performance 
issues and things breaking all the time, and that is something I constantly see 
with most distros.

All distros have their Pros & Cons, but the truth is because Slackware is one 
of the simplest distros you hardly run into issues like most distros.

So let's put our personal differences aside and talk facts. The fact is Slackware 
is the most stable and least troublesome of all distros and it's the oldest too for 
one good reason, it's built on a simple principle of STABILITY over bells & 
whistles, and if you need some of the latest goodies then you can certainly go out 
there and grab it and compile it yourself. Making slackware packages and adding in 
dependencies for them is not that complicated once you've done it.

Let me make this clear I like all Linux distros, they all have something 
different they bring to the table, and any Linux in my book is better than 
Windows! But the FACT is, again, no one can touch Slackware for it's STABILITY!

So we want a SECURE OS, what good is it, if it's always having problems, things 
breaking, crashes, etc...? And if you're going to build this OS around Fedora, 
then be prepared for A LOT of breakage in the future.

Security does not always needed the LATEST UNLESS there is a SECURITY ISSUE 
that needs fixing, Security should be more CONCERNED with STABILITY! :)

NOW with all the distros out there does everyone run into issues all the time? 
NO, but then again, bugs are called bugs for a reason, not everyone gets them. 
But when you compare all the distro problems of other distros, compare to 
Slackware, Slackware has the least amount, and it's not just because of more 
experienced users, because Patrick Volkerding builds a distro that's stable and 
has always been the most stable of any distro out there.


Cheers :)
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Mail.be, WebMail and Virtual Office
http://www.mail.be
If you can get a Slackware version working, for Dom0 as well as Guests, I know 
many people that would switch over to Qubes.

There are many people that hate SystemD.

Also, having a stable platform, one that isn't releasing a new version every 10 
seconds like Fedora, and only just updates to the system to ensure security 
would be of great advantage.

If you can get it done with Qubes 3.2, that would be perfect, since Qubes 4.0 
will not work on much hardware that people use these days (according to the 
requirements).

Yeah I really hate using systemd and being forced in to whatever redhat/poettering is doing at the moment.

Instead of dropping support for non IOMMU systems there should simply be a security rating slide with different levels and colors to indicate security status when you start the installer (test for HVM, IOMMU, IOMMU-Interrupt Remapping, SLAT, presence of ME/PSP or other DRM, firmware security such as prop bios > coreboot > blob free coreboot as the most secure, etc)

Qubes should be geared to power users, not the average idiot that doesn't want to put in the slightest bit of effort to understand security.

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