> On 8 Mar 2017, at 14:50, [email protected] Taiidan-at-gmx.com > |qubes-mailing-list/Example Allow| <[email protected]> wrote: > > I realize that it is an integral part of fedora and debian (gross), but it is > a serious security hole and qubes should consider migrating away from it by > maybe choosing another orgin distro. > http://without-systemd.org/wiki/index.php/Arguments_against_systemd > > https://muchweb.me/systemd-nsa-attempt > "The Linux kernel, I believe, is clean. As long as Linus lives, you're not > going to subvert the kernel. Let's just assume that is true for the sake of > argument. If you can't get into the kernel, what is your next option? You > need something low level (PID 1?), ubiquitous, and vast in scope and > complexity. > > This describes systemd perfectly. It was almost like it was designed to touch > as much of a Linux system as possible. It has hooks into some many different > subsystems and APIs that it's almost impossible to build a modern distro with > current software without pulling in systemd as a dependency. This happened > almost overnight, and I think there are malicious forces at work here." > > Assuming that it is the NSA is unimaginative, it could be literally be any > combination of interests that are doing this - who wouldn't desire absolute > control and absolute power over 99% of linux systems? > > https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=761658 > I am tired of the "virtualization will protect you!" excuse, it only goes so > far and some systemD issues such as using google DNS by default
And how is it supposed to do this in dom0 without ANY network connection? Nobody is forcing you to use Qubes and frankly, if it is good enough for the Qubes team, I am not the one to tell Joanna something about security... Are you? Cheers, Frank > are simply inexcusable from a qubes perspective (designed to be a secure OS, > but phoning home like that without asking isn't secure at all) > > Linux is about choice, but now the incompetent lennart and red hat are > choosing for you - they are more qualified to make that decision and are > doing it for your own good. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "qubes-users" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/qubes-users/7acfa3f6-d9ae-a5f8-87c4-998b28f574fc%40gmx.com. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "qubes-users" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/qubes-users/7734-1488982678-787612%40sneakemail.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
