On Fri, Dec 08, 2017 at 12:58:28PM +0100, 'Tom Zander' via qubes-users wrote:
> On Friday, 8 December 2017 11:50:07 CET Unman wrote:
> > Anyway, I don't want to labour the point.
> > Enough people seem to like the Manager style approach to make it worth
> > putting something like it into 4.0.
> 
> You wrote a very interesting mail, with lots of great ideas on how to make 
> the workflow better.
> I really like the idea to have application icons match your VMs.
> The 4.0 start menu forces users to first pick a qube and then pick an app. 
> With a Firefox available in each and every qube...
> 
> I think this thread is more about having any sort of user friendly tools 
> than it is specific about the QM.
> Its just that most users have only ever had the QM, and then even that was 
> taken away from them in 4.0 :(
> 
> I'd say you (Unman) are in a great position to brainstorm ideas we can try 
> to find a good user interface that helps people stay secure and helps them 
> survive, to even thrive.
> 
> I'd like to write a simple app that people whom were used to the QM can 
> relate to. With some people here stating they are willing to pay for the 
> service, I can make some time for that.
> As that crystallizes, maybe more people can jump in and work on other stuff.
> 

Some time back there was discussion about using Salt to produce
different Qubes flavours. I think this is still on the roadmap
somewhere.

The fact is that some users like selecting a qube, and then the
application, and it seems a natural way to work. I dont. But it's good
to have a variety of approaches.
Simple Qubes with custom menus seems to me to be the best way to have a
wider uptake - anything to work against the idea that Qubes is only for
nerds using the command line - "linux greybeards" was the somewhat
sexist phrase I think.

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