Fannish question:  "When did you become an author?"  Crotchety author: "When
I published my first story."

Sarah
On Mon, Oct 25, 2010 at 10:40 AM, Eric Scoles <[email protected]> wrote:

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>  On Mon, Oct 25, 2010 at 8:44 AM, Jason Olshefsky <[email protected]
> > wrote:
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>>  On Oct 25, 2010, at 1:46 AM, Sal Armoniac wrote:
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>> http://thefutureofthings.com/column/1003/creativity-the-last-human-stronghold.html
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>>
>> In the "Pay Attention to the Machine inside the Man" heading, Israel
>> Beniaminy writes:
>>
>> For some people, the fact that the creative spark vanishes when we examine
>> the machine more closely serves as the conclusive proof that the spark was
>> never really there. [Advocates of “strong AI” believe that] if we could
>> expose what happens in the mind while we’re being creative, we will again
>> fail to find the creative core, the place and time where the magic happens.
>>
>>
>> I think finding the "creative spark" is the wrong path because there is
>> none.  It's a similar question to when someone asks, "how did you get
>> started being an author?"  They are asking, "at one point you were not an
>> author and at a later point you were: what was the magical event that
>> happened between?"  As such, the apparent creativity of a mechanism, or the
>> creativity of a person can be traced back literally ad infinitum with no
>> hope of finding anything remotely similar to an answer to the question.
>>
>
> I think I agree with you, but I think a lot of people hear this kind of
> thing and they parse it as meaning "there's no such thing as a soul." Well,
> it might mean that, but I think the *primary* meaning is more basic: If
> you are "a writer" at point N but not at point A, then somewhere along that
> way you passed a threshold where you acquired a sufficient number of
> writerly qualities in a sufficient quantity or measure that the external
> term "writer" could be fairly applied and agreed upon by a fair number of
> observers. I.e., "writer" (or "blue" or "wet") is a subjective term -- it
> needs a definition and a definer to be meaningful.
>
> All that might or might not have anything to do with souls or creativity or
> sparks, depending on how one defines those things.
>
>
>
>>  ....
>>
>> But that leads to an interesting note that the goal of AI should be less
>> about making a creative spark generator and more about making something that
>> can aggregate a set of disparate, "smaller" ideas into a cohesive whole.
>>  Recurse this from tiny ideas to bigger and bigger ones and it might just
>> work.  It appears this is what mathematical proof algorithms do, albeit the
>> aggregation process can also be represented algorithmically.
>>
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>
> It's been a long time since I read it, but as I recall this is similar to
> the view Minsky was putting forth in *Society of Mind*. He had some very
> specific ideas which I believe have not since been supported experimentally
> (and I doubt that would upset him very much, FWIW), but the general idea was
> that Mind was no one big magic thing, it was rather the result of a lot of
> smaller and more mundane things happening continually.
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