Ernie:

Below are two short articles about belief that are useful. There is a whole 
literature about

belief, however. See the Wikipedia article "Belief" to get the idea; it is a 
theme that

can be looked at in, say, 20 different ways.


Personally I think -in this case-  simple is better.  Simple is not always 
better, of course.

If you want to fathom something of neuro-science,  forget all about simple.  
Same for

biology or marketing or you-name-it. But who can possibly enroll in a college 
curse

every time you need to make a decision in life?


Anyway, I'm  a certified existentialist. Such issues don't slow me down.

That is, it pays to be pragmatic about reality.


True belief is what works, false belief is what does not work.


How do I know whether something is true or false?  Simple: Does my belief

make my life better or worse?  Hence, for all the interest these beliefs once 
had for me,

by the wayside has gone a constellation of ideas that can be identified as 
"pietism,"

has gone purist Baha'i theology, has gone the idealistic scientism of Aurobindo,

has gone Buddhist theory of meditation, has gone veneration of American Indian

nature-ism, and so forth. Each has had its fascinations and I have learned from 
each,'

but in every case there has been a fatal flaw.  Or several flaws.


For example, thanks to the Baha'i Faith it became possible to learn all kinds 
of things

about the religions of the world, and from that to develop a curiosity about 
the cultures

of the world.  From which my life has benefited enormously.  But is it true that

all religions teach one truth? Nice belief but it happens to be false  -even if

as they say, there is some truth to the idea for a cluster or religions although

not all religions. But for a true believer Baha'i you can't make such 
distinctions.

I finally got to the point where I said to myself: To hell with that, unless

I make these distinctions I will forever misconstrue the facts of history.

And no thank you, I demand of myself, the objective truth about cultures

and religions and everything else any historian must learn in order

to teach the subject honestly to others.


Hence, of course, my flat-out rejection of so-called 'liberal Christianity'

since its premises are little different than Baha'is premises even if,
in some cases, the liberal Christian source may actually be Theosophy

or fashionable literary criticism or the worldview of the NY Times.



Something similar for pietism, a word that I use in a generalized sense to mean
"extreme devotionalism"  rather than an encyclopedia definition that refers to
a development in Lutheranism in the 17th century that came to influence
the Wesleys and Methodism and ultimately the entire "holiness" movement
in Christianity.

Do I really benefit from praying at length? How does that make any sense?
God already knows my thoughts. Does God demand that anyone should pray
more than some minimum amount of time? Why would he make that kind of
dubious demand?

This is only the beginning, of course. Intense and sustained devotion to Jesus?
What on earth for? What good does that do? And for sure it wastes a lot of time.
Never forget Jesus, of course, always remember Christ's witness and, as much
as possible, live for that witness. But that's the point, live for it in the 
real world
not in some sort of escapist "prayer life,"

I have now read a whole range of testimonials from Pentecostals about their
experiences and the story is pretty much the same for all the ex-Pentecostals
namely, a huge hangover.  Marathon devotions followed by a sinking feeling
that it has all been a waste of time with  little if anything to show for it.

Plus the great disadvantage of trying to live a perfect life based on one 
sacrifice
after another, chasing an impossible dream. Forgiveness, seems to me, must 
include
forgiveness of myself for inability to live up to my highest ideals because, 
well,
the fact is that I an human and imperfect. Pietism demands the kind of
perfection that is, by definition, forever out of reach, therefore it is useless
and, as well, incurs costs with no benefits.

I mean, what is it all about anyway but self-absorption taken to an extreme?

And, as far as 99.99999 % of other people are concerned,  it makes
one look like a fanatic for a very dubious cause.

Why would anyone want that in his life?


Not that I ever took pietism as far as many Pentecostals take it,
but at one time, years ago, I took if far enough.  Ooops, bad mistake.
It cost  me a few months let is say, but it was a lesson learned.
What is heart rending are stories from Pentecostals, sometimes Charismatics,
that speak of years or decades of this sort of thing, and for what?  Nothing.


Walter Kaufmann also demolished Pascal's Wager.

What assurance does anyone have that its basic premise is true?  None at all.
Maybe the Buddhists have it right , or the Taoists, or who knows? Or maybe
the Christians have it right but not in the way the wager is formulated.
So you make a 10,000 sacrifices and then what?

To re-interpret Kaufmann, suppose you are wrong and it is Luther who greets you
at the pearly gates.  What would he want to know from you? How much you 
sacrificed
or how much you did with your life, for Christ, and, BTW, life for a Christian 
is supposed
to be joyous through freedom in Christ. You are supposed to have a good time as 
well,
for refreshing the soul, even if this should not mean doing anything evil. You 
tell him that
you sacrificed a million things and he tells you that you were crazy to throw 
away
the one life you had on earth, that you were supposed to make the most of.

Ooops.


How I look at things anyway.

B.



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Psychology Today
Alex Lickerman M.D.

Happiness in this 
World<https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/happiness-in-world>

The Two Kinds Of Belief
Why infants reason better than adults

Posted Apr 24, 2011


WHAT IS BELIEF?

Simply, a belief<https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/basics/spirituality> 
defines an idea or principle which we judge to be true. When we stop to think 
about it, functionally this is no small thing: lives are routinely sacrificed 
and saved based simply on what people believe. Yet I routinely encounter people 
who believe things that remain not just unproven, but which have been 
definitively shown to be false. In fact, I so commonly hear people profess 
complete certainty in the truth of ideas with insufficient evidence to support 
them that the alarm it used to trigger in me no longer goes off. I'll challenge 
a false belief when, in my judgment, it poses a risk to a patient's life or 
limb, but I let far more unjustified beliefs pass me by than I stop to 
confront. If I didn't, I wouldn't have time to talk about anything else.


What exactly is going on here? Why are we all (myself included) so apparently 
predisposed to believe false propositions?


The answer lies in neuropsychology's growing recognition of just how irrational 
our rational thinking can be, according to an 
article<http://motherjones.com/politics/2011/03/denial-science-chris-mooney> in 
Mother Jones by Chris Mooney. We now know that our intellectual value 
judgments—that is, the degree to which we believe or disbelieve an idea—are 
powerfully influenced by our brains' proclivity for 
attachment<https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/basics/attachment>. Our brains 
are attachment machines, attaching not just to people and places, but to ideas. 
And not just in a coldly rational manner. Our brains become intimately 
emotionally entangled with ideas we come to believe are true (however we came 
to that conclusion) and emotionally allergic to ideas we believe to be false. 
This emotional dimension to our rational judgment explains a gamut of 
measurable biases that show just how unlike computers our minds are:

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  1.  Confirmation 
bias<https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/basics/motivated-reasoning>, which 
causes us to pay more 
attention<https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/basics/attention> and assign 
greater credence to ideas that support our current beliefs. That is, we cherry 
pick the evidence that supports a contention we already believe and ignore 
evidence that argues against it.
  2.  Disconfirmation bias<https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/basics/bias>, 
which causes us to expend disproportionate energy trying to disprove ideas that 
contradict our current beliefs.

Accuracy of belief isn't our only 
cognitive<https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/basics/cognition> goal. Our other 
goal is to validate our pre-existing beliefs, beliefs that we've been building 
block by block into a cohesive whole our entire lives. In the fight to 
accomplish the latter, confirmation bias and disconfirmation bias represent two 
of the most powerful weapons at our disposal, but simultaneously compromise our 
ability to judge ideas on their merits and the evidence for or against them.

EVIDENCE VS. EMOTION

Which isn't to say we can't become aware of our cognitive biases and guard 
against them—just that it's hard work. But if we really do want to believe only 
what's actually true, it's necessary work. In fact, I would argue that if we 
want to minimize the impact of confirmation and disconfirmation bias, we need 
to reason more like infants than adults.


Though many people think belief can occur only in self-aware species possessing 
higher intelligence<https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/basics/intelligence>, I 
would argue that both infants and animals also believe things, the only 
difference being they're not aware they believe them. That is, they do indeed 
judge certain ideas "true"—if not with self-aware minds, with minds that act 
based on the truth of them nonetheless. Infants will learn that objects don't 
cease to exist when placed behind a curtain around 8 to 12 months, a belief 
called object permanence<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Object_permanence>, which 
scientists are able to determine from the surprise infants of this age exhibit 
when the curtain is lifted and the object has been removed. Animals will run 
from predators because they know—that is, believe—they will be eaten if they 
don't. In this sense, even protozoa can be said to believe things (e.g., they 
will move toward energy sources rather than away because they know, or 
"believe," engulfing such sources will continue their existence).

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Infants and animals, however, are free of the emotional biases that color the 
reasoning of adults because they haven't yet developed (or won't, in the case 
of animals) the meta-cognitive abilities of adults, i.e., the ability to look 
back on their conclusions and form opinions about them. Infants and animals are 
therefore forced into drawing conclusions I consider compulsory 
beliefs—"compulsory" because such beliefs are based on principles of reason and 
evidence that neither infants nor animals are actually free to disbelieve.

This leads to the rather ironic conclusion that infants and animals are 
actually better at reasoning from evidence than adults. Not that adults are, by 
any means, able to avoid forming compulsory beliefs when incontrovertible 
evidence presents itself (e.g., if a rock is dropped, it will fall), but adults 
are so mired in their own meta-cognitions that few facts absorbed by their 
minds can escape being attached to a legion of biases, often creating what I 
consider rationalized beliefs—"rationalized" because adult judgments about 
whether an idea is true are so often powerfully influenced by what he or she 
wants to be true. This is why, for example, creationists continue to disbelieve 
in evolution despite overwhelming evidence in support of it and activist actors 
and actresses with autistic children continue to believe that immunizations 
cause autism<https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/basics/autism> despite 
overwhelming evidence against it.


But if we look down upon people who seem blind to evidence that we ourselves 
find compelling, imagining ourselves to be paragons of reason and immune to 
believing erroneous conclusions as a result of the influence of our own 
pre-existing beliefs, more likely than not we're only deceiving ourselves about 
the strength of our objectivity. Certainly, some of us are better at managing 
our biases than others, but all of us have biases with which we must contend.

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What then can be done to mitigate their impact? First, we have to be honest 
with ourselves in recognizing just how biased we are. If we only suspect that 
what we want to be true is having an influence on what we believe is true, 
we're coming late to the party. Second, we have to identify the specific biases 
we've accumulated with merciless precision. And third, we have to practice 
noticing how (not when) those specific biases are exerting influence over the 
judgments we make about new facts. If we fail to practice these three steps, 
we're doomed to reason, as Jonathan Haidt argues, often more like lawyers than 
scientists—that is, backward from our predetermined conclusions rather than 
forward from evidence.


Some 
evidence<http://www.scribd.com/doc/3446682/The-Second-National-Risk-and-Culture-Study-Making-Sense-of-and-Making-Progress-In-The-American-Culture-War-of-Fact>
 suggests we're less apt to become automatically dismissive of new ideas that 
contradict our current beliefs if those ideas are presented in a 
non-worldview-threatening manner or by someone who we perceive thinks as we do. 
Knowing, for example, that my patient was more predisposed to consider ideas if 
they came from me, his doctor (whom he trusted had his best interests at 
heart), I felt obligated to wield that power for the good, to challenge any 
ideas that had the potential to cause him more harm than good. (Though an 
argument could be made that I shouldn't have challenged his misguided belief in 
the power of vitamins to treat colon cancer, when he stopped taking them, his 
nausea did indeed resolve.)


Despite my reluctance to challenge beliefs that people hold more strongly than 
evidence justifies, the inconvenient truth is that what one of us believes has 
immense power to affect us all (think of the incalculable harm the smallest 
fraction of us have caused because they believe if they die in the act of 
killing infidels, they'll be surrounded by virgins in the afterlife). As a 
society, therefore, we have critically important reasons to reject bad (untrue) 
ideas and promulgate good (true) ones. When we speak out, however, we must 
realize that reason alone will rarely if ever be sufficient to correct 
misconceptions. If we truly care to promote belief in what's true, we need to 
first find a way to circumvent the emotional biases in ourselves that prevent 
us from recognizing the truth when we see it.



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Where Do Beliefs Come From?
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“For those who believe, no proof is necessary. For those who don’t believe, no 
proof is possible.” — Stuart Chase

Where do your beliefs come from?

Maybe some come from advertisers.  Maybe some come from authority figures.  
Maybe some are from your parents.  Maybe some are from your own personal 
experience.

But what’s the pattern behind the pattern for how you believe what you believe?

Know They Beliefs

I think if you know where beliefs come from and you understand the base, then 
you can better understand your own biases.

You can test your assumptions, and more effectively choose when to change your 
beliefs.

That’s quite the skill for today’s rapidly changing world.

Six Sources of Beliefs and Values

One of my mentors has a very simple frame for looking at where beliefs come 
from:

  1.  Authority – expertise, law, position, policies, etc.
  2.  Emotion – feelings, convictions, causes, purposes, etc.
  3.  Intuition – insight, impression, subconscious, etc.
  4.  Logic – observations, facts, assumptions, formulas, etc.
  5.  Science – facts, data, biology, sociology, etc.
  6.  Sensory – personal experience, direct knowledge from the senses, etc.

Internal vs. External Sources of Beliefs

Another way to look at these sources of beliefs and assumptions is:

  *   Internal – Emotion, Intuition, Sensory
  *   External –  Authority, Logic, Science

“Fill in the Blank” to Find Your Beliefs

I find myself challenging my beliefs and assumptions on a regular basis, to 
make sure I’m able to leverage new information and insights as they come along.

That of course means knowing what my beliefs actually are.

One way to dump beliefs out on the table so you can sort through them is to 
play a “fill in the blank” game.  For example, “In order to be successful at 
Microsoft, I need to … X,Y, and Z”

This is simple, but powerful.

Know Your Convincer Strategy

Related to this, In NLP, there’s the concept of a “Convincer Strategy.”

Simply put, it’s — what’s the pattern for how you believe something or how you 
become convinced something is true?

Do you need to see it for yourself?

Do you need to hear it from three separate people?

Once you know the convincer strategy for yourself and others, it’s easier to 
understand why some ideas are readily adopted, while others are perpetually 
dismissed.

What’s important is that you can use these simple concepts to be smarter about 
what you choose to believe and to improve your accuracy around expectations and 
beliefs about your unfolding reality in an ever-changing world.






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From: Centroids <[email protected]>
Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2019 8:20 AM
To: [email protected]
Cc: Billy Rojas
Subject: Re: [RC] Critique of Religion and Philosophy

That’s really good. In fact, it is a fascinating question about which of our 
beliefs we subconsciously refuse to have examined in that manner...

Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 16, 2019, at 13:22, Billy Rojas <[email protected]> 
> wrote:
>
> One should constantly and deliberately subject one’s beliefs to challenge and 
> expect them to be modified and shaped in the process. The most important 
> question to ask when confronting a theologian or philosopher is neither “What 
> does he mean?” nor “Can I be his disciple?” but “What has he seen?”

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