At a personal level, I can only be proficient with a certain number of tools (with that number approaching 0 over time). While there might be a more appropriate tool for a project in a global sense, the time-to- learn might eliminate it. It's good to distinguish between the two situations and acknowledge which factor is driving the decision.
Steve Hayes On 08/04/2009, at 12:05 PM, Torm3nt wrote: > > Well there were a couple of frameworks, but I was trying to be > framework-agnostic for a reason - there are a few that are quite heavy > and load up a lot of files and libraries, even if they're not used - > so as to make the job easier for the developer. Plus I didn't want to > be labelled as a "oh he doesn't like framework x so he mustn't be > good with it".etc. If I targeted any specific framework, people are > bound to get defensive of their framework of choice, which detracts > from what I wanted to convey. > > > Kirk > > > > On Wed, Apr 8, 2009 at 12:01 PM, Dave Bolton <[email protected]> > wrote: >> - Which frameworks are you targeting? >> - Heavyweight in what sense? Resources? Concepts? Performance? >> >> With respect to Rails, I don't have a problem throwing it at small >> ideas -- >> the concepts are easy and standard, and resource requirements are >> not so >> onerous to make it unfeasible (in all senses of resources). >> >> I guess you could mean heavyweight in the sense of all the things >> Rails lets >> you do out-of-the-box, but there's no compulsion to use them all, >> and I'd be >> suprised if they changed the resource and performance equations so >> much to >> make Rails no longer an option. >> >> So, put me in Dr Nic's "scales for the size of the project" bucket. >> >> Cheers, >> Dave >> >> >> On Wed, Apr 8, 2009 at 11:35 AM, Torm3nt <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> Cheers for your input Dr Nic, >>> >>> I wasn't actually specifically targeting rails - rails 3.0 certainly >>> looks to be much more enticing as far as frameworks goes as you'll >>> be >>> able to plug and play various libraries together, but not many >>> frameworks do this =P >>> >>> >>> Kirk >>> >>> On Wed, Apr 8, 2009 at 11:24 AM, Dr Nic Williams <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>>> People talk about "rails doesn't scale" and mean performance. >>>> What I >>>> love >>>> about Rails is that scales for the size of the project. You can >>>> start a >>>> micro project today, and it easily evolves into a bigger project. >>>> The single-file-contains-my-app frameworks aren't wrong or broken; >>>> rather >>>> they take away one of the oft-forgotten but awesome aspects of >>>> Rails: >>>> you >>>> and I both know where our next model or controller is going to >>>> go. The >>>> generators know it. The IDEs/editors know it. >>>> The heavy-weightedness of Rails will probably become optional as >>>> we move >>>> to >>>> 3.0 and beyond. >>>> >>>> On Wed, Apr 8, 2009 at 11:19 AM, Torm3nt <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Hey all! >>>>> >>>>> I've recently been musing over the use of heavy frameworks (such >>>>> as >>>>> RoR) and how I'm beginning to see (in some cases) them being >>>>> overused, >>>>> mostly for the wrong purposes. In one instance I witnessed a Rails >>>>> application for getting reports on a database. >>>>> >>>>> I've written my thoughts on this and would love to hear from >>>>> some of >>>>> the more intelligent people in this community, either of their own >>>>> experiences or even a counter-argument =) >>>>> >>>>> http://www.kirkbushell.com/articles/using-the-right-tool-for-the-job >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Cheers, >>>>> >>>>> Kirk Bushell >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Dr Nic Williams >>>> Mocra - Premier iPhone and Ruby on Rails Consultants >>>> w - http://mocra.com >>>> twitter - @drnic >>>> skype - nicwilliams >>>> e - [email protected] >>>> p - +61 412 002 126 or +61 7 3102 3237 >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> >>> >> >> >>> >> > > > Steve --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby or Rails Oceania" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rails-oceania?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
