At 10:29 AM 4/24/2002 -0400, Jonathan & Dawnya wrote: >Rich Marriot has the biggest National Staff ever seen.
Yes he does, and praise the Lord for it! It was about time. For too long we have run Royal Rangers on a shoe string budget with a very limited staff. We are finally starting to have the staffing levels that a program/ministry of our size needs to truly be effective. Now I can only dream of the day when our districts will start having full-time staffs (not just a full-time district commander . . . even though that is a dream for most of us too). >The A/G has added >numerous positions & increased salaries. Is it any wonder that they had to >raise charter fees by 33%, or why they want to become exclusive uniform >sellers at GPH???? Let's get some facts straight. I just checked with Brian Hendrickson. There is NO TRUTH to the rumor that GPH will stop making the RR emblem. They will be needed for the vests, the red shirts (can't embroider them on those shirts), and the dress khaki uniforms. Thus, there is NO TRUTH to the rumor that everyone will have to purchase their uniforms from GPH. For me personally, that is a very good thing, as I require extra tall uniforms which GPH does not carry. Now, charter fees. Charter fees had not increased since 1990 or 1991 . . . I bet most everyone's income has increased since then. The "cost of living" sure has! Costs for High Adventure and postage to ship them to you certainly have increased. How are these increased costs to be covered? Brian Hendrickson made a brief presentation at National Council about the increase in cost of living from 1990 to 2002. The charter fee increase was designed to catch us up with that increased cost of living. The new national fee structure is $8 for boys, $10 for leaders. If you are asked to pay more than that, your district is charging the difference to help fund their part of the ministry. And keep in mind that districts need a source of income too, so tacking an extra charge on the charter fees is not a bad thing. Just don't blame the national RR office for the entire amount that you are asked to pay. It takes money to run an effective ministry. If not from charter fees for Royal Rangers, then from where? Note: Royal Rangers do not receive any money from the sales of GPH items (Source: National Executive Committee meeting, March, 2002). If not from sources like GPH for the A/G headquarters, then from where? >I agree that it takes money to provide ministry, but we are ALL to be good >stewards over what God has given us. Should the A/G act like Enron? Let's >give our top people all we have & give nothing for the low person while the >company goes broke???? When does it end? Answer - it doesn't. That's quite a stretch, comparing the A/G to Enron. Enron was involved in shady (and very likely illegal) business practices, and it appears that some of their high-level employees may be heading to jail (http://www.truthout.org/docs_01/02.22G.Enron.Jail.htm). Do you truly mean to compare the leadership of the A/G to Enron's? I hope not. But it would sure be interesting to see your sources for this charge. >We could argue over money all day long. IMHO, the A/G leadership is not >acting as the good steward with our finances. They're spending more & more >while people at the local church get less and less. I'm beginning to sound like a broken record, but if there are things in Royal Rangers that you don't like, work through your district leadership to get them changed. And if there are things in the A/G that you don't like, work through your pastor. Of course, for this to be most effective, you need to make sure your church pays your pastor's way to General Council so he can directly represent you and your views at this important meeting. Jonathan >Just my 2 cents. > >*********************************** >Jonathan Conti >NC Dist. Health/Safety Ofcr. >Rocky Mount, NC >*********************************** > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Jonathan Trower" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2002 12:03 AM >Subject: Re: [RR] patch regulations > > > > At 10:01 PM 4/23/2002 -0400, you wrote: > > >All Hail the mammon worshiping arm of AoG! > > > > Keep in mind that it costs money to operate any ministry, whether it's a > > local church, a section or district Royal Rangers ministry, or the A/G > > headquarters. Most districts that I know of are funded by collecting a > > portion of the ministers' tithe (some take 100%), but the national A/G > > headquarters is not funded in that manner. Yes, credentialed ministers >must > > pay a fee each year to renew their credentials, but that sum is not > > sufficient to operate the many ministries of the A/G. Yes, headquarters is > > pushing more and more of the various ministries to become self-sufficient, > > including Royal Rangers. Apparently we have been receiving a subsidy for > > some time; the most recent charter increase that was announced at National > > Council is designed to help reduce the need for this subsidy. But since >the > > A/G headquarters needs money to support the various ministries, including > > those that can't bring in sufficient funds to cover their own operating > > costs, the A/G headquarters has to have a mechanism to raise those funds. >I > > suspect that GPH is part of that. If you eliminate the profit from GPH, > > what do you propose as a funding mechanism for headquarters? > > > > Jonathan > > > > > > >Jeff Ortner wrote: > > > > > > > > Well I called Brain Hendrickson and he said yes it will be 3 x 2 > > > > and it will be silver trimmed. said coming out at the end of this > > > > month. > > > > Not a single patch company out their makes a silver trimmed patch, > > > > so mostly this will be the right choice they are going with. I was > > > > going to buy a bunch a while back, but I am now waiting till GPH > > > > comes out with theirs so I will get the right color trim. > > > > Advantage said that they will produce a stock priced patch for us > > > > if they get the right color. So this will be a big savings if you buy > > > > a bunch. > > > > GPH is smart going with silver trimmed so you have to buy from > > > > them. They are doing the same with the RR arm patches which in time > > > > will be deleted from the shelves, because of the one already > > > > embrodered on the arm. They don't want "off Brand" khakis with a > > > > different shade of color with RR emblems on them. So these are just > > > > areas we have to work with. Dickies has also stop making KHAKIS so > > > > our market to find good deals is slowly shrinking. I believe this is > > > > one of the reasons doing away with the old style "SQUARED OFF" RR > > > > emblems. It was being reproduced by many companies and GPH went with > > > > the rounded style so they could register it as a trademark. You have > > > > to get permission to produce this emblem now. It is just a good move > > > > on their part to keep the market in their pockets. > > > > BSA has done this for years. You can buy all kinds of patches for > > > > your uniform except one. The only way you can get the patch to make > > > > your uniform complete is already on the shirt. It is the name tag > > > > "BOY SCOUTS OF AMERICA". No one can make or produce that name tag. > > > > It must be bought with the shirt. That way everyone looks the same in > > > > the right khaki color. GPH is going this route in time. So that > > > > nothing can be bought outside of them. and all uniforms will look the > > > > same across the board. > > > > I don't think they can do that with the US Flag. > > > > Advantage is just giving us a great deal and wanting your business > > > > later on with campout patches. They gave me a color chart to compare > > > > trim colors when GPH comes out. So I am waiting till then and will > > > > mostly buy a bunch to save people in our area, and This Section a > > > > dollar or more per patch. 50 cents is better than a $1 or more per > > > > patch. > > > > ---- Original Message ---- > > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > Subject: Re: [RR] patch regulations > > > > Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 15:40:13 +0000 > > > > > > > > >Fred asked, "What is R. R. regulation? 3 1/2 by 2 or 3 1/2 by > > > > >2 1/4 inches? > > > > > > > > > >Well, do any of us know? I doubt it. I doubt anyone CAN know, since > > > > >it's > > > > >slated to be released this Fall. > > > > > > > > > >Can't you wait until it's in stone? What if you get white-bordered > > > > >flags > > > > >and GPH get's a deal on gold-bordered flags. Even when you hear what > > > > >the > > > > >official flag is gonna be, GPH can pull a fast one on us. It's > > > > >happened > > > > >before. Remember the less-than-perfect embroidered RR emblem shirts? > > > > > > > > > >Don't put the cart before the horse, count your chickens, etc. > > > > > > > > > >Gale "Sticks Himself" Collins > > > > > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ > > > > >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at > > > > >http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. > > > > > > > > > >_______ > > > > > Let the Golden Rule be your daily rule. > > > > > > > > > > Please pray for your list sponsor: http://eBible.org/mpj/ > > > > > > > > > > To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe rangernet" to > > > > >[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > or visit http://rangernet.org/subscribe.htm > > > > > http://rangernet.org > > > > > > > > _______ > > > > Let the Golden Rule be your daily rule. > > > > > > > > Please pray for your list sponsor: http://eBible.org/mpj/ > > > > > > > > To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe rangernet" to >[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > or visit http://rangernet.org/subscribe.htm > > > > http://rangernet.org > > >_______ > > > Let the Golden Rule be your daily rule. > > > > > > Please pray for your list sponsor: http://eBible.org/mpj/ > > > > > > To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe rangernet" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > or visit http://rangernet.org/subscribe.htm > > > http://rangernet.org > > > > > > ------------------------------------------- > > Jonathan Trower > > South Central Regional Training Coordinator > > E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Phone: 254-420-1941 > > Fax: 254-710-1091 > > Home Page: http://mis.baylor.edu/trower > > > > _______ > > Let the Golden Rule be your daily rule. > > > > Please pray for your list sponsor: http://eBible.org/mpj/ > > > > To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe rangernet" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > or visit http://rangernet.org/subscribe.htm > > http://rangernet.org > > > >_______ > Let the Golden Rule be your daily rule. > > Please pray for your list sponsor: http://eBible.org/mpj/ > > To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe rangernet" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > or visit http://rangernet.org/subscribe.htm > http://rangernet.org __________________________________ Jonathan Trower South Central Region Training Coordinator e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] phone: 254-420-1941 RR homepage: http://mis.baylor.edu/trower _______ Let the Golden Rule be your daily rule. 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