Commander Clint, I believe you've met my son Joel? Joel is also an ADD child. Joel is raised in a rather strict household, is raised according to God's word and when he went on the Youth retreat a few months ago, he came home and told me that God had showed him his purpose in life, to be a servant. Now you may not have known all this about him but I can't help but wonder what you may have thought of my son before this...
It is because of people like you that I have had to sit and hold my son while he weeped and moaned about being stupid and being bad for hours. Shame on you! Joel is tender, intelligent, his clarinet teachers both think he has the propencity to be a professional clarinetist. His acedemic grades are getting under control through a lot of very hard work, 98 in english, 90 in science, 75 in math and 85 in reading. True, he needs extra attention. I almost have to sit next to him all the way through homework, but you know what(?) that is special time for he and I, sometimes it's struggle time, but mostly it's our time (and boy have I learned a lot about spiders!). In fact Hannah is somewhat jealous because Joel gets lots of extra attention do to his to physical problems, but she is an A honor role student and a gracious blessing unto me, so I spend extra time with hurt teaching her the femenine arts, such as crazy quilting and cooking(yes, I can do the girly thing-I am considered a 4 star chef). My ADD "problem child" tells me "Mommy I have so much love in my heart for you, I know you can do no wrong." Yes he has to take his medication, when he doesn't he is what he calls "hyperotic". We give him a break from it on weekends though and let him get his yayas out. This year he starts his Hunters Education. Would we trust an undisciplined child with a shotgun, a pistol, or a bow and arrow? I think not! We try our best to make everything as interesting as possible so it grabs his attention. That is one thing we have found out that works. Look at it this way, if Joel were in a wheel chair you wouldn't condemn Chris and I for being bad parents that didn't pay attention and allowed him to get hurt, now would you? This is Joel's to overcome and not yours to judge. There is another boy that is in our OP that is soo hyper that if he doesn't get his medication, he is almost dangerous. His parents are extremly strict. They have to be. You need to rethink a lot of what you said or why should I intrust my son to you when it comes to campouts and such??? I mean this with love and hope of understanding. Kelly Gist >From: "Jeff & Ellrena Ortner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: Re: [RR] ADD, Chemical Imbalances, and The Rod. >Date: Wed, 15 May 2002 01:00:06 -0500 > >From a mother of an ADD (Attention Deficit Disorder) child for 17 years, >who has been to workshops on this subject, substituted in the public >schools & also special needs schools and have been full time with problem >children in special classes. I've got a drawer full of facts on this >subject. I have passed it along to his teachers over the years too. >Everyone that works with children needs to be well educated. > >So yes, I would consider you having limited knowledge of the subject. So >many people are ready to give their expert opinion, but should not unless >they themselves live the world they are talking about in a personal way. > >I have sit behind your type in church, turning around to make rude looks at >my son as a toddler sitting in folding metal chairs on hard floors, in a >very small room where we had services in our Pioneer church for over 2 hrs. >I guess every ADD child you now see at Camp outs & other places, you must >come to the conclusion that their behavior is due to poor discipline mixed >in with Chemical imbalance. Your comments were very unfair & rude to those >who have this problem. It Causes strife to those who read these emails. As >a mother I am going to contact the overseer of this Ranger net & complain >about this type of cruel judgement. I also was an ADD child that was not >diagnosed back then. But I had a very big imagination & lived in a world of >my own at times. So I believe it can be passed down. > >I take great offense to this statement below. My husband is an Assembly of >God pastor, we have family vacations for the kids, 6 flags in different >cities every Summer, ski trips, camping, river tubing, canoeing, camparoma >for father & son, deer & dove hunting, just a very close family. But we do >have a 17 year old ADD son that is the apple of my eye. Very loving, >caring, AB honor roll, Varsity football, sits with me at church with his >arm around me, kisses me every night before bed. Don't tell me that my son >has a lack of discipline or that he was not raised right. I have had my >share of criticism from family members too that didn't know what they were >talking about either. My son needs more love, patience from us & others, a >little extra time spent to make sure he heard & understood what was asked >of him. >I could think of alot worse than ADD for my son to be tagged with. He loves >God too. >Ellrena Ortner > ----- Original Message ----- > From: clint grant > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2002 5:28 PM > Subject: [RR] ADD, Chemical Imbalances, and The Rod. > > > I have had over the years, as have most of you, my share of Attention >Deficit Disorder children in my outpost meetings. Have a double dose right >now, in fact. > > I have formulated my own theory on the matter, based upon four things: >my limited knowledge of the subject, the Word of God, observation, and >prayer. > > Scientific research has shown results that support the claim made in >Proverbs 17:22, that laughter doeth good like a medicine. Also, the same >and other similar studies have proven that a good cry once in a while is >beneficial, as well. Seems that crying releases endorphins and other >chemicals into the brain and bloodstream. I remember reading an article >back in the early eighties on the subject. Being that this was some time >ago, my memory is cloudy on the issue, but I do seem to recall that the >acts of laughter and crying were shown to have some sort of "cleansing" >effect on the chemical balances of the brain. > > The Bible gives several more examples that would seem to back these >scientific studies. Here are a few: > > Proverbs 22:15 > Proverbs 20:30 > Proverbs 10:13 > Proverbs 13:24 > Proverbs 29:13 > > For those of you who were able take the time to look these up, the >correllation here is obvious. > > It has been my observation that, in most examples to which I have been >witness, children who are diagnosed with some kind of Deficit Disorder are >reared in homes that lack in parental control and discipline. It has also >been my observation that this has not been a signicant problem until recent >years, and has risen on the wake of the recent deluge of false doctrines >sown by those in the satan controlled media, government, private and public >school system over the past several decades; whose primary purpose is to >oppose any sound, biblical doctrine and teaching, and destroy every moral >fiber that holds the basic family unit and society together. > > Therefore, I have come to the conclusion that ADD could either be a >result of chemical imbalance due to the lack of proper discipline in the >home, or not a chemical imbalance at all, just poor behavior from not >raising kids right. This is the only explanation and conclusion that I can >draw from the evidence and the only one I have found that is supported by >God's Word. > > Another example along the same lines: A couple of years ago, I was >watching a TV newsmagazine. 20/20 or something like that. It was about >phobias and syndromes. They had some new ones, like folks who were afraid >that they had run over someone with thier car. These people could not >function. OCB's. Obsessive-Compulsive Behaviors, they call them. These >people were going through all kinds of expensive therapy for these >disorders. God spoke to me and told me something about all that. IT IS JUST >A LIE. A lie to make people believe they are in bondage. And if you believe >it, then you are. > > Let me tell you something. Satan HATES you. He hates God and he hates >all that we stand for. He hates every ideal that is good and right. He >hates the Word. So, since the Word is truth, he has to lie about it to >destroy It's work in your life. For a lie to work, it has to look right, >sound right, feel right, maybe even work right ... for a while. Have you >read public text books lately? They are full of lies. A current world >history textbook has thirty pages on Islam and almost nothing on >Christianity. It claims that the first Thanksgiving was to thank the >indians. > > Every idea that is put forth in the Word of God satan will try to >oppose. And, he will try to get you to oppose, if he can. And, for most of >us, he will succeed, according to Jesus in Matthew chapter 24. This is why, >folks, we must be very careful to measure everything that we hear against >the one true standard we have, which is the Word of God. If you hear of >anything that opposes it, DISMISS IT! IT IS A LIE! It might sound right, it >might look right, it might seem right, but if you can not prove it with the >Word of God, then it is wrong. > > Please allow me to be very bold in saying that anyone who presents to >you a view that opposes the ideals and precepts that are in the Word is an >enemy of the Cross of Christ, whether they realize it or not, and should be >regarded as such. > > God encourages us to instill within our children the values, principles, >and wisdom that is found in the Word. Furthermore, He directs us in no >uncertain terms to be very structured, disciplined, and vigilant in doing >so. This is true and correct. Read your Bible, it says so. Where people >err, and the reason some are driven away, as alluded to earlier today in >another post, is because sometimes we try to do this without love, >patience, and understanding. > > According to my Bible, and yours, there is a place in our homes and in >our outposts for firm, structured, disciplined teaching and training. When >we do this, and do not leave the other things undone, it will work. If we >fail to do it- then, well, we have just plain failed! > > > > > > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : >http://explorer.msn.com > > _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com _______ Let the Golden Rule be your daily rule. 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