Dan, you have a very big point. It is very necessary to get the Training. Infact, it is a Scriptural thing to get that training.and every aspect of that training falls right into line with the Golden Rule. Would you not want someone to save if you were having an incident? I bet that you would and I know because it is Christian nature to want to return that. Many sections as I remember all went about the studying of FA/CPR in their own separate ways. Sometimes those boys would go to the Sectional and even district events completely unprepared to do even the simplest of tasks. They would just gloss over it and not pay a whole lot of attention to it mostly for a few different reasons. unfortunately those reasons were a reflection of the leadership and not the skill level of that particular boy. I have seen this because I worked at the Sectional level once and been there. One reason was is that the resources were not available to that particular Outpost, whether it was trained instructors, finances, availability. This was a serious and legitimate reason. The next reason was is due to lack of interest. Those with lack of interest had not really given it a lot of thought and generally take on a happy go lucky demeanor and always hope for the best. (We all always hope for the best, sometimes we may feel like we are winging it by the seat of our pants) and the third reason is lack of support. We all at different levels of outpost development have to deal with it in one way or another, how we deal with it will be what defines us as an outpost and makes us who we are. This will set the pace for the outpost and the rest of the congregation will rest assured that their child is in the best of hands when they release them to go on a Ranger activity. The Sections and even the Districts in my humbled opinion do a good job of coordinating these things to be made available to the outpost level Commander. I'm not familiar with the new program as I had to step out for personal reasons, I don't know what it is calling under the new guidelines, so I kind of guess that this makes me a voice from the past, but it is my hope that these very basic principles of FA/CPR/AED training didn't get changed too drastically. When I was last able to be involved in an outpost I had received the advanced training for the Professional Rescuer because I was a first responder. My training has lapsed now mostly because of mitigating circumstances of which you are now perhaps aware of in one of my previous posts, but I thought that I would mention the importance of getting the Training whether it's through ARC or AHA. (I had heard that they had relaxed whether you can get the training through ARC or AHA now) But just a thought from an old relic
Iron Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "danmoe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, June 01, 2003 9:13 AM Subject: Re: [RR] CPR/FA Training Required - Follow up > I get the same felling here in Ohio, the lack of interest from Scout (boy > and girl), Venturing, and Royal Ranger leaders in wanting adequate CPR/First > Aid training scares me, when they are taking our children (grandchildren) > into an environment that they are not use too. It's not just the kids, it's > the adults that may be the one most at risk for heart attack, stroke, or > sudden illness and no one else trained or may even know what to do. These > people don't realize that their cell phones don't work when they are out in > the boonies. > > Dan Moe & Family > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "CmdrPier" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2003 7:51 AM > Subject: [RR] CPR/FA Training Required - Follow up > > > > It appears that CPR/FA training is optional, that is, while it is a stated > > requirement, no one is held back if they don't get the training. > > > > After teaching a CPR/FA class last Saturday that was poorly attended, I > > wondered where our leaders are getting trained - not by me (I teach CPR/FA > > for our section, and most of the attendees in the last 3 years were > > non-Rangers). > > > > Then I wondered if our leaders are untrained, why would the sponsoring > > church let them take children and youth into the outdoors without adequate > > first aid training? Are our churches willing to take that risk? Under > the > > Pennsylvania Good Samaritan laws, it is very difficult to sue someone, who > > while providing aid, you harm the victim PROVIDED you are acting within > the > > scope of your training. According to the Red Cross, the law is so clear > on > > this that it is difficult to get an attorney to take one of these cases. > > However, if you provide first aid and you haven't been trained, or you > don't > > have a current card, you risk being sued because under the Good Samaritan > > laws because the scope of your training is ZERO, which means you do not > > provide treatment, or you do so at your own risk. > > > > Having decided not to provide treatment because of the risk of being sued > > under the Good Samaritan laws, you and the church are now at risk of being > > sued by the parents because they entrusted their children to you and the > > church, and the church did not provide trained leaders. I recall from > BLaw > > that the law uses the "reasonable man" concept. In this case, would a > > reasonable man assume that an organization taking boys camping, with all > the > > hazards that go with it (use of knives, axes, etc.), would have leaders > > trained to provide care in the event of injury? I think so. > > > > Now if our leaders are trained elsewhere, is that something the sectional > > leadership should track? Should Royal Rangers require all leaders to have > > training, if so how do you enforce it? > > > > I wonder if the churches and the Royal Ranger hierarchy are aware of this > > risk? Although our permission slips say we assume no "liability in case > of > > accident or sickness" (full text below), the courts have ruled that you > > cannot contract away responsibility for your negligence. If the District > or > > National office has reviewed this issue with legal counsel, I'd be curious > > to know the outcome. > > > > I'm thinking that churches should require ALL their workers - volunteer > and > > paid - to have CPR/FA training. > > > > Here's the text from our permission slips: > > While striving to ensure a wholesome, safe, and closely supervised > > environment for the boys in its care, the Penn-Del District, Southwest > > Suburban Section, and Outpost 34 Royal Rangers cannot be held liable for > any > > unforeseen and unforeseeable accident or injuries which may occur during > the > > course of any Royal Ranger activity. Responsible leaders, persons, and > > acting agents transporting on behalf of the Royal Ranger ministry of the > > Assemblies of God assume no personal liability in case of accident or > > sickness. > > > > Kelvin Pier > > Outpost 34 > > Southwest Suburban Section, Penn-Del District > > > > > > _______ > > > > > > List host: http://eBible.org/mpj/ List info: > http://eBible.org/rangernet/faq.htm > > > > To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe rangernet" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > or visit http://eBible.org/subscribe.htm > > _______ > > > List host: http://eBible.org/mpj/ List info: http://eBible.org/rangernet/faq.htm > > To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe rangernet" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > or visit http://eBible.org/subscribe.htm _______ List host: http://eBible.org/mpj/ List info: http://eBible.org/rangernet/faq.htm To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe rangernet" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://eBible.org/subscribe.htm
