>I choose to give up certain "rights" to enjoy my freedom in society.
>Guns are just one of the "freedoms" I give up for a bigger "freedom"
"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."-- Benjamin Franklin
Of course this is from a great American Freedom fighting Patriot, something an Aussie wouldn't understand "freedom or patriot".
You could quite possible be right there.
In Australia we don't revere slayers of men.
Our heros, or Great Australians, as we call them are usually sportspeople [how shallow are we] or humanitarians. Some examples that spring to mind are Sir Donald Bradman, cricketer; Victor Chang, Heart Surgeon, Fred Hollows, Eye Surgeon. Kingsford Smith, Aviator.
We don't use the term patriot.
In fact many wouldn't be able to define the term.
Perhaps it's becasue Australia chose to arrange its independance in a civil manner, whereas America chose to obtain its with blood. Perhaps it's also because Australia chooses to effect it's destiny with discussion, argument and a resulting federation and America choose to exercise hers with blood.
Who can say?
We each see the other with our own eyes.
I am trying to get behind your eyes...but your unwillingness to engage on topic is making it hard.
Victor.
- ----- Original Message -----
- From: Victor Zalakos
- To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
- Sent: Friday, August 01, 2003 4:34 PM
- Subject: Re: [RR] Gun's and Aussies!
- At 03:58 PM 1/08/2003 -0500, Mark W Jones wrote:
- >Really the point is moot. What were talking about here is freedom. I
- >really don't care to give mine up so I will encourage my neighbor to own
- >and bare arms. Shoot first ask questions later.
- Perhpas this is it Mark.
- I choose to give up certain "rights" to enjoy my freedom in society.
- Guns are just one of the "freedoms" I give up for a bigger "freedom"
- Yet I am not free.
- I have been bought with a price.
- I am a bond-servant.
- My master tells me to love those around me.
- To be salt and light in a world of darkness and evil.
- He tells me to turn the other cheek to ensure my eternal freedom.
- [thinks out loud]
- What I find fascinating is that so many American Christians would put their
- second ammendment "rights" above the instruction of their Lord and Saviour.
- Why is that?
- Oh they try and justify this and that.
- But at the end of the day there is this independence bordering on
- rebellion, defiance of rationality and direct instruction from Jesus.
- There's a kind of paranoia that is ingrained in their psyche. It seems that
- they think 'If I let my guard down for one moment, "they" will get me.'
- Funny thing is that the "they" changes over the years. It started with the
- church, then the British, then the southerners [or northerners], then the
- communists, the EU, then the terrorists... And overlayed on all of this
- entire history is a theme of distrust of their elected governments... Who's
- next?
- What happens when they've hated and despised and feared everyone that there
- is to hate, despise and fear? What do they do then? Do turn on themselves
- again, starting the whole cycle over?
- [shakes his head]
- I just don't understand...
- Victor.
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