Re: [RR] Gun's

[M&M Archer]

Just a question. Is there any historical stats, from the 1700s or 1800s in the USA, on gun related deaths? (other than war) My reason for asking is that my personal feeling is that its not the availability of guns at fault, in most cases,. What many struggle with is the rights vs. responsibility issue. This country has so over emphasized personal rights that many no longer know what personal responsibility is. There are so many liberal organizations, or just greedy lawyers,  willing to defend a persons "rights" that they can sue a major company over a spilled hot cup of coffee and win. The popular media (TV, movies, song lyrics) markets violent images about people taking their "rights" into their own hands and taking just revenge (sic) on those who wrong them. Play that scene out to enough people long enough and sooner or later someone will pick up a gun to exercise their "rights". The Columbine incident was about individuals who thought they had a "right" to do what they wanted and get revenge. Personal rights end when we infringe on another persons rights. Personal responsibility prevents us from infringing on another persons rights. As for the gun issue ... in a urban setting they should be under lock and key, to many houses and people close together. If you feel the need for a gun, for safety, do what my neighbor does ... he has a 38 caliber zip gun loaded with wax ... makes a lot of noise and should leave a good welt on an intruders hide. Of course there is the bleeding heart lawyer who will then sue you for injuring his client, and that has happened ... what a sick world we live in. In a rural setting guns are still a natural part of life. My grandad had a shotgun ready at all times to chase critters out of the chicken coop. It was loaded, all 20 grand kids knew it and from a very early age we were not allowed to touch it ... we were properly trained from day one. In grandads day we would get a good old hide tanning for touching it ... he taught us responsibility and self discipline. In todays world we would have the right to touch it and we could go to school and complain to a liberal counselor if anyone infringed on that right by tanning our hides ... then out marches the social worker willing to defend those rights ... so much for personal responsibility ... If that sounds far fetched thats the attitude my 11yr old son brings home from school, and that is what they taught my daughter in High School.   Mike Archer     ----- Original Message ----- From: Victor Zalakos To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, August 02, 2003 11:06 PM Subject: Re: [RR] Gun's Hi Keith, Yes the population of the USA is some 15 times that of Australia. Yet there are 30 times the number of gun-related deaths, allowing for differences in population, in the USA than in Australia. That's a big difference. What I wonder is this: is it due to the availability of guns in America? Victor. At 11:56 PM 2/08/2003 -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >Yes, there is probably more gun related deaths here in the United States. >Wouldn't that go along with the theory that the more people, the more >deaths?  How many more large cities do we have than Australia? >Keith >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Victor Zalakos" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Sent: Saturday, August 02, 2003 5:30 PM >Subject: Re: [RR] Gun's and Aussies! > > > > At 10:38 PM 2/08/2003 +1000, The Larrikin wrote: > > > > Our heros, or Great Australians, as we call them are usually >sportspeople > > > > [how shallow are we] or humanitarians. Some examples that spring to >mind > > > > are Sir Donald Bradman, cricketer; Victor Chang, Heart Surgeon, Fred > > > > Hollows, Eye Surgeon. Kingsford Smith, Aviator. > > > > > > >You forgot to mention the hero worship of Ned Kelly who murdered 4 > > >policeman and 1 friend > > >of the gang. And there are the Bushrangers (Outlaws like Ben Hall, >Captian > > >Thunderbolt, > > >Jack O'doughnahue (The Wild Colianal Boy). > > > > > > I did indeed forget the bushrangers... > > It seems funny that we do "honour" them so much. > > Must be something to do with our support of the underdog/battler/larrikin > > that is behind it. > > Then there's chopper reed. Weird eh! > > > > > > >BTW There was another fatal gun attack last night in Canely Valley (a > > >Sydney Suburb). > > >or is that another uburn myth. Try telling that to the man family and > > >staff of his store. > > > > Not really sure what your point is here Adrian. > > Yes there are gun related deaths in Australia. > > I've never said there wasn't. I never said there wouldn't be. > > > > All I said is that the proportion of gun related deaths in Australia per > > head of population is 29 times less than in America. Further I suggested > > that it was like this becasue of the number of guns in circulation. > > > > For AUstralia to be on par with America we would need to see an additional > > 2 or 3 gun related deaths each and every day, in each and every week, in > > each and every month of the year. Year in and year out. We're not. And > > hopefully we won't, despite the hope of some in the gun lobby. > > > > Victor. > > > > _______ > > > > > >  List host: http://eBible.org/mpj/ List info: >http://eBible.org/rangernet/faq.htm > > > >  To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe rangernet" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >  or visit http://eBible.org/subscribe.htm > >_______ > > >  List host: http://eBible.org/mpj/ List info: > http://eBible.org/rangernet/faq.htm > >  To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe rangernet" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] >  or visit http://eBible.org/subscribe.htm _______  List host: http://eBible.org/mpj/ List info: http://eBible.org/rangernet/faq.htm  To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe rangernet" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]  or visit http://eBible.org/subscribe.htm