Y'all,
               Hey there I could be wrong, and I am trying to think back to my days in 
Boy Scouts.  Yes I was in Boy Scouts for awhile.  I don't think they had them.  
John
 

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        From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
        Sent: Wed 10/1/2003 3:50 PM 
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        Subject: Re: [RR] Partols in Scouts?
        
        

        I have never been in scouts so I do not know where to look for this 
information.
        
        Where can I find detailed information about how patrols and patrol leadership 
positions are implemented in Boy Scouts? What ages are involved, what 
responsibilities, etc.........
        
        
        Thanks....
        
        Matt Ranney
        Senior Commander
        Outpost 304
        
        
        
        
        
        
        -----Original Message-----
        From: Ace Numer- Uno <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
        Sent: Oct 1, 2003 1:12 PM
        To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
        Subject: Re: [RR] Partols in Scouts?
        
        
        Speaking as a trained BSA Scoutmaster... and Eagle "Dad"
        
        The Patrol system is alive and well in Boy Scouts..
        
        "Boys telling boys what to do" sounds like a paramilitary
        domination game. Scoutings patrol's are not at all that way.
        
        *If you come to be a member of one of the 8 patrols in Troop328
        you as a young man will experiance the "weight of leadership"
        
        You desire to hold a position for rank advancement, and you
        may not know the "hardest" job in the Troop is being elected
        "Patrol Leader"  there are easier jobs to gain time in leadership.
        
        A Boy "Patrol Leader" must work with SPL/Sr.Guide to develop a
        meeting plan and carry information to his patrol by attending a
        PLC (patrol leader council) outside of the regular meeting time.
        
        You as patrol leader must envolve your patrol in real duties as
        assigned by SPL and plan food or logistics for every campout held
        each month in any weather.  You plan a menu.. you set a fee.. you
        shop.. you pack the food and cook gear for the patrol and you *COLLECT
        from everyone or LOSE THE MONEY.  (This happens..  you have options
        but the Patrol is a "family" and must take care of it's own)
        
        Along the way~  A Boy may tell another boy something, and expect
        that on his honor he will do his duty.
        
        Adult Leaders stay away from those tasks 100% unless it is a
        obvious snafu or failure. We work as observers and coaches.
        
        
        
        Cub Scouts however uses something called a "Den" and it
        is headed by an adult leader.  It is very simular to Royal Rangers.
        
        Cub Scouts are absoved from most logistical responsibilities to
        provide time for fun and friendships to grow.  WEBELOW's are a
        transition into scouts..  a half-way program.
        
        FACT: *Not every Cub Scout joins a troop or stays with Boy Scouts.
        The transition to becomeing responsible for yourself outdoors is
        sometimes too much a streach for some.  They fall away...
        
        Royal Rangers likely would chase them down. (*ministry vs. program)
        
        
        T328 would let them go..  because in Scouting you have to carry
        your own weight, plus some of the patrol gear and rise to the challange.
        
        -=A=-
        ASM T328
        Cascade Pac Council
        Portland,Oregon
        
        
        --- Richard FitzGerald <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
        > We are getting the Patrol system working in our outpost and Monday
        > morning I have a parent contact me. We have Rangers on Sunday night.
        > I am informed that boys cannot tell other boys what to do. I explained
        > that we use the patrol system similar to Scouts, ( his son was in Cub
        > Scouts), and I was Immediately informed that Scouts had done away with
        > that practice some time ago. "Everyone knows that one boy cannot tell
        > another one what to do in any circumstance."
        > Does any one know where this parent is coming from? Doesn't Scouts still
        > use it?
        >
        > Richard FitzGerald
        > South Texas
        >
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