sORRY LEFT OUT 2 WORDS, MEANS ALOT!!!! :)
Some people from other religious background with cite that this was
a
dispensational issue because that Jesus was not dead as of yet.
Sorry, but I feel compelled to believe that timing didn't matter to Jesus.
Jesus saw the belief in the heart of the man.
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> Noel:
>
> Later on in the chapter Jesus also said you must be born again. Jesus was
> referring to the spiritual rebirth of salvation. Not of the Holy Spirit.
> Notice that Nicodemus was puzzled by Jesus' words.
>
> First Baptism is an act of faith. Water baptism cannot be means of
> salvation. It is a work of faith. Can man go to Heaven by works, surely
> not.
>
> The A/G believes that one does not have to be Baptized by the Holy Spirit
> to
> go into Heaven ( speaking in tongues) .
>
> Here is an example of both. The man on the Cross with Jesus. The man
> probably was not baptized with water and surely not baptized with the Holy
> Spirit. However, Jesus told the man the he would be with Jesus in
> Paradise.
>
> This was a guarantee that the man was to go into Heaven.
>
> Some people from other religious background with cite that this was a
> because that Jesus was not dead as of yet. Sorry, but I feel compelled to
> believe that timing didn't matter to Jesus. Jesus saw the belief in the
> heart of the man.
>
> See, we who are sinful make the mistake that we are too sinful. When we
> die
> we die with sin still in our lives. Jesus is able to look past the sin
> and
> see our soul, spirit, faith.
>
> Jesus wants us to be Holy. Jesus also knows that we can never attain that
> standard. But the pursuit of Holiness and faith make the difference.
>
> Sorry, if I ran on. If any feel that I am wrong, Show me where
> (Rhinoceros
> hide still attached), and I will be happy to bend like the reed in the
> wind.
>
> :)
>
> Scott Tobman
> Indiana #22
>
>
>
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> > Sent: Friday, January 29, 1999 2:35 PM
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> > Subject: [RR] Baptizem ?
> >
> > All,
> > In an ICQ chatroom the last few days, several people tend to belive that
> > you have
> > to be baptized in both water and of the Spirit you are not saved.
> > They are using John 3:5 which says: Jesus answered " I tell you the
> > truth,
> > no man can enter the kingdom of God unless he is born of water and the
> > Spirit."
> > In John 3:3 Jesus says born again but in 3:5 he says this.
> > Any thought or input?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Noel"Spirit Rider"Bell
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