Noel:
Later on in the chapter Jesus also said you must be born again. Jesus was
referring to the spiritual rebirth of salvation. Not of the Holy Spirit.
Notice that Nicodemus was puzzled by Jesus' words.
First Baptism is an act of faith. Water baptism cannot be means of
salvation. It is a work of faith. Can man go to Heaven by works, surely
not.
The A/G believes that one does not have to be Baptized by the Holy Spirit to
go into Heaven ( speaking in tongues) .
Here is an example of both. The man on the Cross with Jesus. The man
probably was not baptized with water and surely not baptized with the Holy
Spirit. However, Jesus told the man the he would be with Jesus in Paradise.
This was a guarantee that the man was to go into Heaven.
Some people from other religious background with cite that this was a
because that Jesus was not dead as of yet. Sorry, but I feel compelled to
believe that timing didn't matter to Jesus. Jesus saw the belief in the
heart of the man.
See, we who are sinful make the mistake that we are too sinful. When we die
we die with sin still in our lives. Jesus is able to look past the sin and
see our soul, spirit, faith.
Jesus wants us to be Holy. Jesus also knows that we can never attain that
standard. But the pursuit of Holiness and faith make the difference.
Sorry, if I ran on. If any feel that I am wrong, Show me where (Rhinoceros
hide still attached), and I will be happy to bend like the reed in the wind.
:)
Scott Tobman
Indiana #22
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> Sent: Friday, January 29, 1999 2:35 PM
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> Subject: [RR] Baptizem ?
>
> All,
> In an ICQ chatroom the last few days, several people tend to belive that
> you have
> to be baptized in both water and of the Spirit you are not saved.
> They are using John 3:5 which says: Jesus answered " I tell you the
> truth,
> no man can enter the kingdom of God unless he is born of water and the
> Spirit."
> In John 3:3 Jesus says born again but in 3:5 he says this.
> Any thought or input?
>
> Thanks,
> Noel"Spirit Rider"Bell
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