On Wed, 25 Apr 2001, Mark W Jones wrote:
> I bring this question. Considering this is a training camp for Leaders
> on how to take their boys camping. The leason being taught here is... it
> is proper to let your Pioneers camp out of site and mind of adult
> supervision? Go ahead and sleep in the church that is a quarter mile
> away in a room that you wouldn't hear a cannon go off.
First.. It's my considered opinion that RRangers pushes outdoor
camping too early in leu of useing proper boy leaders as trusted
advisors. 10 seems a young age for haveing them self-manage their
camp.
The effort to teach Adult supervision is in fact telling your older
Rangers they are not needed. The model I see is a scout based troop
where 10 is the very youngest camper and he is watched by 14-17 year
olds. *Those boys in Rangers have been sweep away, graduated and
so forth leaveing leadership to overweight overworked Adult men.
I didn't invent Pioneer camping, but I do know that Pioneers can
camp if it's safe and sane. I susspect Pioneer camping has given
Men the idea that all boys are needed supervision, and that is false.
If your outpost is weak on Leadership.. *Do not go outdoors!
There is no blessing in a bad experiance you the boys or for you.
*If however, you have a working system of trusted leadership ala
"chain of Command" then by all means use your resources and put
boys out in the brush by patrol.
>
> Keep in mind that I have pulled pioneers out of burning sleeping bags
> that were supposed to be inside properly placed tents that were abandond
> to sleep next to the fire at 3:00 in the morning.
I understand. What this shows is a fundimental misunderstanding that
responsible camps do not go to sleep with a fire burning. Rather, you
use proper gear or station a all night firewatch.
My tent was only a
> rocks throw away. It was the rock that woke me up.... it was me dumping
> the pioneer out of his burning sleeping bag that really got his
> attention. I would have not liked explaining to this 10 year olds
> parents well I wasn't there when it happend.
Then in your Outpost I would never sleep!
The BSA Troop we camp with has 65 boys and uses boy leadership.
No one has starved, or been hurt. Few fights or bad words, because
the boys know *they are truly trusted, and real leaders...
>
> In the past 8 years we have went from 12 outtings a year to 32 outings
> last year. In that time I have learned the wisdom of the Leaders Manual
> on keeping track of your boys and leading them by example. They can grow
> and take charge and stretch and build 22 foot tall towers rappell 100
> foot cliffs. Plan and pack for 3 day backpacks. Setup and tear down
> camp with leaders just working alongside them but them doing it with us.
>
I like that idea, but the tower lashing and repelling is outside
basic hygene and base camp mentality.*Those high adventure events
should be restricted to 13 years old and above. The goal in camping
with boys ought to be entrusting them to see the advantage of orginazation
and responsible management of each other, by themselves.
*So again what I see over and over is Adults obsessing over learning
campcraft.. when *Learning campcraft is what the boys need to do
for themselves while we work to build leadership(*Reach them) in them to
teach themselves...
My contention is it does not matter wich hand passes the sheath knife.
What does matter, is that a boy is welcome to learn and participate
as a full member of the Outpost. NTC showed that "winning" best
camp is only the duty of the boys...
Your "aquired knoledge" is enough as an adult.. the time of "Training"
would be better spent in learning to "present the program" to the
boy's and facilitate the logistics quietly, allowing the boys to
set the pace for adventure.
>
> Keep yur eye peeled fer that there adventurer who just wants to be cool
> and do something different... water em and let um grow.
>
> Mark Jones
Amen!
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>
>
> On Wed, 25 Apr 2001 09:09:29 -0700 Duane Wheeler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> writes:
> >
> >
> > *One note from the far west!
> >
> > *Far from the flat-land, accross the shine'n Rockies
> > and down the wide Columbia that rolls to the Pacific!
> >
> >
> > As good as the intentions are to teach the Patrol
> > System to Adults.. *The real need is training to
> > TEACH it to boys!
> >
> > Also..
> >
> > Leading by example... in NO way is "Doing it better"
> > or "Building a model camp"
> >
> > Leadership is found in discovering what fires the passion
> > in your boys, and working to serve that combination of
> > opportunities. Real leadership develops MORALE among
> > all who are members of your group.
> >
> > It resuls in phrases of: "I can do that!" or.. "Oh! Now I
> > Understand!" or even.. "No problem! Can DO!"
> >
> >
> > *What all this has to do with "Hunger4God" and the
> > Spiritual point is developing a framework for teams
> > to organize work, and ministry to others...
> >
> > When we all pull togather.. we join in harmony.
> > In THAT place Christ can be lifted up and the spirit we
> > feel is the bonds of friendship found in common good.
> >
> > -=A=-
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