Yahoo!  Duane, even though you got smacked a bit, your
shirt should be stretching it's buttons.  You should be
so puffed up and proud of your son that your shirts
should not ever fit again.

Congratulations on raising and guiding an exceptional
young man who is also very perceptive and wise beyond
his years...

At 10:06 AM 6/15/01 -0700, Jay Walker wrote:
I talked this over with GMA#3911 who just completed
the God and Life course under the council of a man
who works at the Community church we now attend.

Josh was very insightfull to me.

Josh haveing bridged the BSA and RR programs, opened
up some correction on my "Bee hive kicking"
thinking<G>

He smacked me down good!
------------------------

Josh Wheeler GMA#3911 continued that perhaps...
my desires for fairness and the teaching of tolerence
of individual faith was admireble, but that was NOT
the Ranger way.

(As you might guess.. this was a very interesting
discussion for 'old salty dog ->A No.1<- and somewhat
stressfull to listen too<G>)

Josh began to lecture that it was common knoledge that
RR was concieved to be a "bait" to hook boys into
attending a camp where the distractions were limited
and the full gospel could be preached.. resulting
in a decision by the boy for Christ.  GMA#3911 told
me that this was the MAIN THING and any other goal
was secondary, such as Moral training.. Character
building and even Leadership opportunities.

I got out several "Yea but's..."
And Josh just kept fireing away<G>

"You seem to go on and on thinking that the emblem
represents a balance to all the points of the Code,
pledge and Motto from a unique perspective, that in
fact is a minority view"

"The TRUTH is that today Royal Rangers can go it's own
way and do whatever it chooses, become a soul winning
ministry and has every right to overlook  current
secular humanist movements desires... So yes, DAD!
Royal
Rangers will never be a "Christian alturnitive to
Boy Scouts, as RR is quite satisfyed to remain a
outreach program for the Assemblies of God only"

*There was a moment of silence...and I was proud
that my son was so fervent in his convictions<G>

Dad.. you are very lucky that in bringing outside
thoughts into the Outpost no matter how "nobel"..
That you wern't confronted, challenged and removed.

*I understand your goal, but that is better met by
leaveing things as they are and following your heart
to new pastures of peace.  These things you claim
are important are to be found elsewhere. So if you
ever
wear a RR Uniform you had best WORK FOR the *program
100% without a reservation or alturnitive agenda.

*OUCH!
-=A*=-

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