> It's not a matter of personal opinion. EFF newsletter is not spam > period.
If I recieve it and didn't sign up for it then it IS SPAM. Nothing personal here. I seem to get a LOT of maillist postings that I've never signed up for and I consider them to be ALL SPAM. > You have to sign up to get it I've recieved it in the past. I've NEVER subscribed. > - and each newsletter contains unsubscribe information that is simple and works. A large percentage of other spam also contains this information. Generally all it does is get you listed on even more unwanted mail lists. I have NO INTENTION of making an exception for EFF in this regard. If they don't want me to report it is spam they simply shouldn't send it to me. Period! If someone has signed up using my name/address then it is EFF's problem for not having me confirm the bogus subscription. > Therefore - if Razor > is listing it as spam - it's either a flaw in razor - being misreported > or gamed by a third party - or someone who is feeding bad information to > razor through a bad system of reporting what is spam. Or EFF is simply spamming! either intentionally, or for NOT VALIDATING THEIR SUBSCRIBERS. > EFF's newsletter is not being sent to people who don't request it. If is > were - then bring those people forward and show me where it's happening > so that we can remove them from the database. If you can't - then you > can't claim that that is the reason. Lets see, you want ME to tell you WHO on your list of 30,000 subscribers didn't subscribe? GET REAL. If you want this info, the solution is simple - ask all of the subscribers to re-confirm their subscription - Those that don't respond can then be deleted. The next step would to to send a confirmation request for all new subscribers. > One of the issues I have a real problem with is that there doesn't seem > to be any way for anyone to determine how something got labeled as spam > so that the problem can be fixed. There needs to be some accountability > in the system. The accountabilty lies with either EFF for not validating their subscribers, OR, the INDIVIDUAL SYSADMINS that use razor to help minimise their spam. RAZOR itself is merely a warning system that the mail being recieved is POSSIBLY spam. I really can't see why you have trouble understerstanding this very simple FACT. > I don't know what a honeypot account is. How does that relate to EFF? A honeypot account is a "fake" email address (or domain) that is NEVER USED BY A REAL PERSON, therefore ANY mail sent to such an address is UNSOLICITED and PROBABLY SPAM. Any mail that WE recieve to any of these accounts is automatically reported to Razor, Spamcop, and several other similar reporting systems. This is another reason why your posts are starting to annoy me - you are blaming RAZOR for the EFF problems. Why are you singling out this one particular system as being 'bad'? Are you also hassling the developers of SpamCop, or any of the other blacklisted systems? I'll bet not, yet I'll wager that the EFF newletter is also being blocked by some of these too. Go hassle them. Rod. ------------------------------------------------------- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Scholarships for Techies! Can't afford IT training? All 2003 ictp students receive scholarships. Get hands-on training in Microsoft, Cisco, Sun, Linux/UNIX, and more. www.ictp.com/training/sourceforge.asp _______________________________________________ Razor-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/razor-users
