I admire your patience Javier, notwithstanding your excellent recollection of the unfolding of the events gone by.
Vista was a slug, but actually tolerable if you turned off all the glitz, which is essentially what Win 7 was, along with a lengthy bug list cleanup. I was very pleased with win7 (64), which as I mentioned previously, I installed Win 10 (64) on the very same hardware with noticeable improvements in performance, that’s all I had to report. I have a couple linux boxes here (one I built just to be the firewall to my network), but absolutely nothing I would want to use in a business environment. I want my stuff to run the software that the VAST majority of the other business users in the WORLD use and depend on every day. I have no time to muck around with editing something in /etc/network (like the interfaces file) to handle some of the startup chores in the boot cycle and neither do most people whose livelihood depends on being able to sit down and get work cranked out instead of tinkering with all the behind the scenes, under the covers elements of the machine they use. Windows isn’t going anyplace different. Most all of this subject is drifting off topic here anyway unless you want to go back and talk about the merits of porting the current version of RBase to Linux, which I believe a past version is/was done in a different development track, but I do not believe the current version has a cost benefit path that can work in Linux. You know the mindset of most Linux users is that it is either FREE or very low acquisition cost and if there is one thing that I can report a life of experience has chiseled into stone for me is “Nothing Of Value In Life Is Free. Everything Has A Price. The Price For Failure Is Higher, But The Coin For Its Purchase Is More Common”, IOW, there ain’t no free lunch Buddy. It is very curious to me, that the same persons that want to acquire Free or Low cost software, wish to leverage that same software into something (service or product) that they can get paid for their efforts. It just doesn’t track for me. Never has. Never used illegal software. Never downloaded a single song or movie that I didn’t pay for. I want to pay someone for their efforts just like I want paid for mine. That makes EVERYTHING work. FREE doesn’t make anything work and seems to encourage or create an environment for laziness and sloth. But that’s just me. From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Javier Valencia Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2015 5:37 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [RBASE-L] - RE: Linux & R:Base I agree that Vista was not a good release but it did pave the way for Windows 7 which was a marked improvement over Windows XP, a system that I like a lot. However, saying that Windows XP runs faster than Windows 7 as the criteria to call it a better OS is a very simplistic view; MS-DOS would run considerably faster than both of them but is that really the direction we want to move towards? In my humble opinion it is not. The computers we use are undergoing big changes. A few years ago if you wanted power you needed a desktop and now, even power users rely on laptop and the trend is moving towards the more touch/visual tablets which now are catching up with laptops and in many cases replacing them; unfortunately, Win XP is just not designed for this type of environment. Say what you will about Microsoft but the more recent releases have been rock solid and whether we like it or not the end user business market still runs on MS Windows and Linux has just a tiny fraction of about 1.5% compare to close to 90% for the various flavors of Windows and close to 10% for Apple OS. One of the computers I am testing is very low powered Liva Mini PC kit with miniature Intel BayTrail board with 2 GB or Memory and 32 GB of storage and runs a full resolution 1080P monitor surprisingly fast; It seems to run the Internet Browser on Wi-Fi faster than my loaded Dell XPS Win 7 Pro, Core I7 based laptop with a hard connection to the router. As I indicated, it does have a fresh install of Win 10. By the way, Linux was announced in late 1991 and released late in 1992 and it really did not become widely available or popular until the mid-90s, at that time R:Base was well into the 4.X versions, the 3.0 version was released in 1990, before Linux was even a concept in Linus Torvalds mind. I remember several R:Base version were released specifically for the OS/2 system and I remember talk about a release for Unix/Linux, I had a couple of workstations running Linux in the late 90s and I would have liked to run a version of R:Base but I am not sure if one was ever officially released…although my memory is not what it used to be; maybe R:azzak can shed some light. Javier, Javier Valencia, PE O: 913-829-0888 H: 913-397-9605 C: 913-915-3137 From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Stanfield Technologies LLC Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2015 3:45 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [RBASE-L] - RE: Linux & R:Base Vista was a bad release of Windows and never seemed stable. On top of that if it has been on the internet and not installed recently, my guess is that why it drags (jacked up) which might make Win10 look like it runs better. There are also 32 bit versions of Win7 & Vista vs 64bit versions designed to take advantage of the faster processors. Each version of Windows seems to require more hardware (memory, processors, etc). For example if you take a WinXp computer and put Windows7 on it using the same hardware, WinXP will run much faster because it requires less resources. So when you load Win10 on existing hardware, assuming both are fresh installs (not a junked up 7 or Vista) its not likely to run as well on same hardware. Honestly, I think each release of Windows, Microsoft has put another nail in its coffin and opened up other alternatives such as Macs, Linux and Google Chrome. It may be to R:Base Technologies benefit to package the software to run on whichever OS you prefer/use whether Google, Windows, Linux or Mac? ----- Original Message ----- From: Javier Valencia <mailto:[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2015 4:02 PM Subject: [RBASE-L] - RE: Linux & R:Base I have used Win 10 on a limited basis so far on a couple of low end computers and my experience has been “so far” similar to that of Mike’s, very positive; one of them is a very low end miniature unit with 2GB of memory and 32 GB of on board SSD storage with a fresh install. The compiled version of R:Base seems to run faster as do other programs I have tested. I will try upgrading next a laptop I have that runs Windows Vista and just drags; I believe Win 10 will run much faster. Javier, Javier Valencia, PE O: 913-829-0888 H: 913-397-9605 C: 913-915-3137 From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Stanfield Technologies LLC Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2015 2:16 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [RBASE-L] - RE: Linux & R:Base I agree with the previous post. As a computer tech person, I have NOT been impressed with Win10. In my computer shop I have several requests to reload win7 and remove 10. Infact, by default there are settings within 10 that "seed" itself out to download much like viruses do. It may be better than 8, but I would never trade it for Win7. Internet performance has also been an issue where the internet providers are being blamed for internet issues when infact it is Win10. Microsoft seems desperate to give it away in order to get people away from 7 for some odd reason. I agree looking ahead that Linux may be the answer, especially as Linux improves its ability to install software and its dependancies without a huge amount of work. PC Linux seems to be one of the platforms that makes this much easier. ----- Original Message ----- From: Mike Byerley <mailto:[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2015 1:06 PM Subject: [RBASE-L] - RE: Linux & R:Base I don’t find any of the negatives you mention with Win 10, but I did a virgin install on the existing hardware I had instead of an upgrade. Most applications start noticeably quicker over my Win 7 previous. I even managed to get my old Autocad 2000 (16 year old software) to work on Win 10 without running it in XP virtual machine. From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Alastair Burr Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2015 7:48 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [RBASE-L] - Linux & R:Base The time to move away from Microsoft Windows and change to Linux is beckoning – I find Windows 10 almost unusable in that it is desperately slow and often unreliable with automatic updates changing my settings at will. I have a Linux system running from a flash drive and there seems to be very little that I do in Windows that I can’t do on this simple installation. A major consideration however, is running R:Base: Will it run directly under Linux? There seems to be ways of running some Windows programs but not all – will R:Base run in one of these systems? Presumably there is no problem with a dual boot set up? Any advice and comments would be welcome, Regards, Alastair.
