I have put bold text on part of your post at the bottom Mike. I agree
with it.
Albert
On 2015-12-30 5:56 PM, Mike Byerley wrote:
I admire your patience Javier, notwithstanding your excellent
recollection of the unfolding of the events gone by.
Vista was a slug, but actually tolerable if you turned off all the
glitz, which is essentially what Win 7 was, along with a lengthy bug
list cleanup.
I was very pleased with win7 (64), which as I mentioned previously, I
installed Win 10 (64) on the very same hardware with noticeable
improvements in performance, that’s all I had to report.
I have a couple linux boxes here (one I built just to be the firewall
to my network), but absolutely nothing I would want to use in a
business environment.
I want my stuff to run the software that the VAST majority of the
other business users in the WORLD use and depend on every day.
I have no time to muck around with editing something in /etc/network
(like the interfaces file) to handle some of the startup chores in the
boot cycle and neither do most people whose livelihood depends on
being able to sit down and get work cranked out instead of tinkering
with all the behind the scenes, under the covers elements of the
machine they use.
Windows isn’t going anyplace different.
Most all of this subject is drifting off topic here anyway unless you
want to go back and talk about the merits of porting the current
version of RBase to Linux, which I believe a past version is/was done
in a different development track, but I do not believe the current
version has a cost benefit path that can work in Linux.
You know the mindset of most Linux users is that it is either FREE or
very low acquisition cost and if there is one thing that I can report
a life of experience has chiseled into stone for me is “Nothing Of
Value In Life Is Free. Everything Has A Price. The Price For Failure
Is Higher, But The Coin For Its Purchase Is More Common”, IOW, there
ain’t no free lunch Buddy.
It is very curious to me, that the same persons that want to acquire
Free or Low cost software, wish to leverage that same software into
something (service or product) that they can get paid for their
efforts. It just doesn’t track for me. Never has.
*Never used illegal software. Never downloaded a single song or movie
that I didn’t pay for. I want to pay someone for their efforts just
like I want paid for mine. That makes EVERYTHING work. FREE doesn’t
make anything work and seems to encourage or create an environment for
laziness and sloth. *
**
But that’s just me.
*From:*[email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] *On Behalf Of
*Javier Valencia
*Sent:* Wednesday, December 30, 2015 5:37 PM
*To:* [email protected]
*Subject:* [RBASE-L] - RE: Linux & R:Base
I agree that Vista was not a good release but it did pave the way for
Windows 7 which was a marked improvement over Windows XP, a system
that I like a lot. However, saying that Windows XP runs faster than
Windows 7 as the criteria to call it a better OS is a very simplistic
view; MS-DOS would run considerably faster than both of them but is
that really the direction we want to move towards? In my humble
opinion it is not.
The computers we use are undergoing big changes. A few years ago if
you wanted power you needed a desktop and now, even power users rely
on laptop and the trend is moving towards the more touch/visual
tablets which now are catching up with laptops and in many cases
replacing them; unfortunately, Win XP is just not designed for this
type of environment. Say what you will about Microsoft but the more
recent releases have been rock solid and whether we like it or not the
end user business market still runs on MS Windows and Linux has just a
tiny fraction of about 1.5% compare to close to 90% for the various
flavors of Windows and close to 10% for Apple OS.
One of the computers I am testing is very low powered Liva Mini PC kit
with miniature Intel BayTrail board with 2 GB or Memory and 32 GB of
storage and runs a full resolution 1080P monitor surprisingly fast; It
seems to run the Internet Browser on Wi-Fi faster than my loaded Dell
XPS Win 7 Pro, Core I7 based laptop with a hard connection to the
router. As I indicated, it does have a fresh install of Win 10.
By the way, Linux was announced in late 1991 and released late in 1992
and it really did not become widely available or popular until the
mid-90s, at that time R:Base was well into the 4.X versions, the 3.0
version was released in 1990, before Linux was even a concept in Linus
Torvalds mind. I remember several R:Base version were released
specifically for the OS/2 system and I remember talk about a release
for Unix/Linux, I had a couple of workstations running Linux in the
late 90s and I would have liked to run a version of R:Base but I am
not sure if one was ever officially released…although my memory is not
what it used to be; maybe R:azzak can shed some light.
Javier,
Javier Valencia, PE
O: 913-829-0888
H: 913-397-9605
C: 913-915-3137
*From:*[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
[mailto:[email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Stanfield Technologies LLC
*Sent:* Wednesday, December 30, 2015 3:45 PM
*To:* [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
*Subject:* [RBASE-L] - RE: Linux & R:Base
Vista was a bad release of Windows and never seemed stable. On top of
that if it has been on the internet and not installed recently, my
guess is that why it drags (jacked up) which might make Win10 look
like it runs better. There are also 32 bit versions of Win7 & Vista vs
64bit versions designed to take advantage of the faster processors.
Each version of Windows seems to require more hardware (memory,
processors, etc). For example if you take a WinXp computer and put
Windows7 on it using the same hardware, WinXP will run much faster
because it requires less resources. So when you load Win10 on
existing hardware, assuming both are fresh installs (not a junked up 7
or Vista) its not likely to run as well on same hardware. Honestly, I
think each release of Windows, Microsoft has put another nail in its
coffin and opened up other alternatives such as Macs, Linux and Google
Chrome.
It may be to R:Base Technologies benefit to package the software to
run on whichever OS you prefer/use whether Google, Windows, Linux or Mac?
----- Original Message -----
*From:*Javier Valencia <mailto:[email protected]>
*To:*[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>
*Sent:*Wednesday, December 30, 2015 4:02 PM
*Subject:*[RBASE-L] - RE: Linux & R:Base
I have used Win 10 on a limited basis so far on a couple of low
end computers and my experience has been “so far” similar to that
of Mike’s, very positive; one of them is a very low end miniature
unit with 2GB of memory and 32 GB of on board SSD storage with a
fresh install. The compiled version of R:Base seems to run faster
as do other programs I have tested. I will try upgrading next a
laptop I have that runs Windows Vista and just drags; I believe
Win 10 will run much faster.
Javier,
Javier Valencia, PE
O: 913-829-0888
H: 913-397-9605
C: 913-915-3137
*From:*[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
[mailto:[email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Stanfield Technologies LLC
*Sent:* Wednesday, December 30, 2015 2:16 PM
*To:* [email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>
*Subject:* [RBASE-L] - RE: Linux & R:Base
I agree with the previous post. As a computer tech person, I have
NOT been impressed with Win10. In my computer shop I have several
requests to reload win7 and remove 10. Infact, by default there
are settings within 10 that "seed" itself out to download much
like viruses do. It may be better than 8, but I would never trade
it for Win7. Internet performance has also been an issue where the
internet providers are being blamed for internet issues when
infact it is Win10. Microsoft seems desperate to give it away in
order to get people away from 7 for some odd reason.
I agree looking ahead that Linux may be the answer, especially as
Linux improves its ability to install software and its
dependancies without a huge amount of work. PC Linux seems to be
one of the platforms that makes this much easier.
----- Original Message -----
*From:*Mike Byerley <mailto:[email protected]>
*To:*[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>
*Sent:*Wednesday, December 30, 2015 1:06 PM
*Subject:*[RBASE-L] - RE: Linux & R:Base
I don’t find any of the negatives you mention with Win 10, but
I did a virgin install on the existing hardware I had instead
of an upgrade. Most applications start noticeably quicker
over my Win 7 previous.
I even managed to get my old Autocad 2000 (16 year old
software) to work on Win 10 without running it in XP virtual
machine.
*From:*[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
[mailto:[email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Alastair Burr
*Sent:* Wednesday, December 30, 2015 7:48 AM
*To:* [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
*Subject:* [RBASE-L] - Linux & R:Base
The time to move away from Microsoft Windows and change to
Linux is beckoning – I find Windows 10 almost unusable in that
it is desperately slow and often unreliable with automatic
updates changing my settings at will.
I have a Linux system running from a flash drive and there
seems to be very little that I do in Windows that I can’t do
on this simple installation.
A major consideration however, is running R:Base:
Will it run directly under Linux?
There seems to be ways of running some Windows programs but
not all – will R:Base run in one of these systems?
Presumably there is no problem with a dual boot set up?
Any advice and comments would be welcome,
Regards,
Alastair.
