I think one thing Riv is trying to promote with the Clem idea - the site 
has had a special Clem Parts section for a while now - is the concept of 
"nice parts are nice, but good enough parts have a funky kind of style that 
is unique to them". If you're old enough to have participated in the Bike 
Boom, you're old enough to remember getting your first 10-speed and having 
no idea what the parts were. You put air in the tires and sat on the saddle 
and shifted the shifters and pulled on the brake levers. What you had was a 
bike, and you rode it. 

I see the Clem/Clementine with a Pletscher "mouse trap" rack and Altus 
derailer as a throwback to this idea of "just a bike" for "just riding". It 
also confronts a rather annoying reputation Riv has for selling expensive 
stuff..a rep I consider ridiculous, but I've heard it enough times to know 
Grant has, too. Now you can get a lower cost Riv frame with 
lower-cost/funky parts and go for a slightly different vibe than what we 
normally associate with Rivbikes. Or go* completely* insane and Ebay one 
out with old Campy OR mtb parts. I like that idea! ;)

On Monday, March 9, 2015 at 1:39:43 PM UTC-7, dougP wrote:

> When I read Rivendell's description of equipping the Clem, what I hear is 
> "....don't be afraid to go economical parts on this bike.  It can get away 
> with cheap stuff as well as bling."  Sounds like another dimension in 
> versatility.  This bike won't look out of place with a $20 aluminum rack 
> but you can still put a Nitto on if that's your choice.  I don't think 
> they're pushing cheap parts, just suggesting that as one option.  Heck, you 
> could build one up out of crap laying around the garage & then upgrade over 
> time, if you didn't have the cash or want to go lux to start. 
>
> dougP
>
> On Monday, March 9, 2015 at 10:30:22 AM UTC-7, Wayne Naha wrote:
>>
>> The Clem sounds like a great bike for me, just the right level of 
>> stoutness to the frame and those nice longer chainstays.  I had been 
>> considering a Sam, but Clem has turned my head.  Yet I can't contemplate 
>> hanging plastic pedals off it, and I would really like to have a generator 
>> hub, too.  But it seems like the idea that the Clem is some kind of 
>> 'beater' bike because it is unlovely is being promoted.  But this would the 
>> most money I have ever spent on a bike!  My 'beater' says 'Huffy' on it.  I 
>> want to be proud of this bike, even if it is not the prettiest.  Is it 
>> silly to put Velocity Atlas rims, a Schmidt SON hub, and aBrooks saddle on 
>> the Clem?  Or should I save a little longer for the Sam? 
>> Also, does anyone know headtube and seat tube angles for the Clem?
>
>

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