I meant to say, also, that it had never fallen over while on the kickstand.

On Saturday, August 15, 2015 at 8:49:35 PM UTC-7, shawn m. wrote:
>
> I used a Pletscher double-legger on my Hunqapillar. This bike is my daily 
> rider, commuter, go everywhere bike; touring, camping, all of it. It was 
> mounted directly to the kickstand plate with the shorty bolt I got from 
> Rivendell. After a friend's partner was left permanently disabled by a 
> collapsing front fender, I decided to adjust my fender lines to insure as 
> much clearance as possible. While remounting the rear fender, I noticed 
> that the fender mount that is affixed to the kickstand plate was distorted, 
> leading me to discover that the entire kickstand plate was distorted, 
> bowing down in the middle to an unsettling degree. I unshipped the kick 
> stand and flipped the bike over. The kickstand plate had started to tear 
> away from the chainstays. Pretty distressing. I really liked the utility of 
> the double-legged kickstand, but I would NEVER have bought it and installed 
> it if there had been some warning against doing so. So now I have a damaged 
> frame and no kickstand, which frankly sucks. I tidied up the exposed metal 
> with some clear nail polish pending the imaginary date in the future that I 
> can afford to have the damage repaired and the frame repainted. I ran the 
> double-legger for less than three years. Boo.
>
> On Friday, August 14, 2015 at 2:44:00 PM UTC-7, drew wrote:
>>
>> so, i havent been amazingly satisfied with my pletscher dbl leg stand. it 
>> just doesnt seem that stable with a load and it tends to make creaking 
>> noises that are not reassuring.  i was at a bike shop a few months ago, and 
>> saw the same kickstand with a sticker that said "30lb weight limit" (it was 
>> in kg, but i did the math). i asked the bike shop guy and he seemed to have 
>> no idea if that was a legitimate statement, and i can find no weight limit 
>> listed anywhere online. its possible that that tainted my view of the 
>> kickstand's sturdiness. 
>>
>> back to real time. i was gonna another black version, since i at least 
>> know what im getting with the pletscher, and the others are mysterious to 
>> me. and i read this on the rivendell site "*NOTE: Don't bolt these on to 
>> Riv kickstand plates, those are for single leggers only. If you want to use 
>> a double, use the sandwich and run the bolt through the plate.**"*
>>
>> now, i dont really know what that means. does it mean that you are still 
>> supposed to use the top plate even with a kickstand plate? that would seem 
>> to defeat the purpose of a kickstand plate, since the top part cant fit 
>> between the chainstays and would therefore have to go on top.  also, the 
>> product page with that warning,  HERE 
>> <http://www.rivbike.com/product-p/k21.htm> , clearly shows it bolted 
>> directly to the kickstand plate. 
>>
>> anyway, maybe im misreading it. maybe you are supposed to put the plate 
>> on top and run a really long bolt through pletscher plate>air>kickstand 
>> plate>kickstand? seems weird to me.
>>
>> more to the point, is anyone using a double leg kickstand that they 
>> really like for touring with loads and standing up on not always super 
>> smooth/flat ground. 
>>
>>

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