On Fri, 2009-12-11 at 08:58 -0800, CycloFiend wrote:

> 
> The titanium Ibis frames were in that realm. I don't know if the different
> nature of ti welding processes lends itself to that, or the knowledge that
> there won't be paint covering the work.  Or that they only let the
> uber-skilled TIG-welders play with the expensive tubesets.

I've seen some not so beautiful welded titanium, too.  I'm certainly
willing to believe that skill level plays a part in that; there's also a
different technique that some don't believe in, multi-pass welding, I
think it is, that was used to do the "looks like fillet brazing" welds.
I happen to like that look.  

> Those are all good counterpoint examples to my comment.  For me, it's lugged
> or fillet-brazed, followed by TIG-welded.

We don't disagree.


> 
> One of the things we all benefit from now is that the folks doing lugged
> work are all pretty accomplished.

Yes, many highly regarded production frames of the past are shockingly
badly put together compared to the standard we expect today of lugged
steel frames.  The bar is set very high now.


> I do remember the last Interbike I attended some years ago, where a
> co-worker and I openly commented that if we had to look at another fat-tubed
> aluminum frame with toothpaste welds, we'd lose it.  I'm not sure I ever
> recovered from that... ;^)

Me, too.  I can't bear the look of toothpaste welds.  Butt ugly, stomach
churing ugly, and no way to disguise it at all.



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