If "the man" is the idea that carbon fiber is the only real material
that serious cyclists consider-- that everything else is a compromise,
then i think being anti-"the man" is a plus. That is how I interpret
Surly's ads-- we make good, smart bikes that arent what the
Bicylcling's Buyers Guide tell you to buy. And i think that on a
smaller scale (and toned down a bit) Riv has the same message.

As for a TIG'd Riv-- if it could be US made-- then maybe, if not, I
really hope it never happens. That market is well covered, now more
than ever.

Cheers!
cm

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