There is no place I found in the catalogue Grant says anything about
the Roadeo being out there from a Riv perspective.

Me thinks I missed it or you be making up stuff.

On Dec 11, 12:11 pm, JoelMatthews <[email protected]> wrote:
> > Headtubes on BLT and BLTaiwans are short...
>
> Geometry is close to the Hilborne.
>
> > But it does look as if little old BG is sourcing his own upjutting
> > Salsa (old) quill stems.
>
> Bruce has been making quill stems long before there was a Salsa.  His
> is a heavy duty design.  But guess what, delicate Nitto's fit in the
> head tube as well.
>
> > Bet the BLTaiwans weigh a ton.  Don't want a tank.  Want an all around
> > 700c.
>
> I expect you would lose that bet.  BG says the BLT uses same tubing as
> the Rock n' Road.  Given its formidable strength, the R'n'R is a
> surprisingly light bike.  I am sure the BLT would be equally adroit as
> a day to day 700 as a tourer.
>
> > Let's call it a tigged Roadeo with Vbrakes, powder and a headbadge.
>
> See the Riv Catalogue link John at Riv just posted.  Grant describes
> the Roadeo as being way out there from a Riv perspective. (The
> catalogue also gives prominent props to lugs by the way) Yet you think
> dropping the lugs and changing the geometry would be in his comfort
> range?
>
> On Dec 11, 1:35 pm, eflayer <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>
> > Headtubes on BLT and BLTaiwans are short...
>
> > But it does look as if little old BG is sourcing his own upjutting
> > Salsa (old) quill stems.
>
> > Bet the BLTaiwans weigh a ton.  Don't want a tank.  Want an all around
> > 700c.  Let's call it a tigged Roadeo with Vbrakes, powder and a
> > headbadge.
>
> > On Dec 11, 11:28 am, Eric Norris <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > There are still millions upon millions of bikes out there with  
> > > threaded headsets, many of them owned by people of limited means who  
> > > will need to fix them rather than buy a new bike. Ditto for bikes with  
> > > freewheels.  That's why it's still possible to buy freewheels in this  
> > > age of cassettes  c and why it will be possible for some time to find  
> > > traditional threaded headsets. They just may not be Record or DuraAce  
> > > quality.
>
> > > On Dec 11, 2009, at 11:19 AM, Steve Palincsar <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > On Fri, 2009-12-11 at 11:03 -0800, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery wrote:
> > > >> Threaded stems and headsets are pretty much obsolete on new-
> > > >> production
> > > >> bikes, and the number of threaded stem/headset options is small and
> > > >> getting smaller. There are a few holdouts, like Riv and some custom
> > > >> shops, but I think even they see the writing on the wall (Legolas was
> > > >> threadless, and Roadeo apparently has a threadless option).
>
> > > > More like catering to the tastes of the intended audience than seeing
> > > > the handwriting on the wall.  If it were the latter, wouldn't you  
> > > > expect
> > > > the frames designed since the Legolas (such as the Hillborne, Foy,  
> > > > etc)
> > > > to similarly acknowledge the presence of said handwriting?
>
> > > >> As individuals, we can deal with obsolete or obscure parts with ebay
> > > >> and other small sources. But a bike manufacturer, who needs to order
> > > >> hundreds or thousands of headsets per year has to consider the risks
> > > >> of not having enough headsets for this year, and for service in years
> > > >> to come.
>
> > > > It appears that Velo Orange, far smaller than most bike manufacturers,
> > > > had no difficulty sourcing high quality threaded headsets for the VO
> > > > brand.  I think fears of the availability of threaded headsets are
> > > > greatly exaggerated.
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