Scott - please don't lump a whole list of us into those you don't agree with on one thread. Of the bicycle groups I've been observing, this is one of the most open minded and educated. :)
And thanks for pointing out there are good things to be found in other bikes, too. Brian Hanson Seattle, WA www.stonehog.com On Saturday, May 28, 2016 at 10:45:51 AM UTC-7, Skenry wrote: > > Deacon, > You might want to read some of XXXX and others posts. > > It has been specifically stated that people liked the company before, and > no longer do and they could not recommend them anymore after they EXPANDED > their offerings. > > How tolerant is that? The "my way out the highway" approach doesn't fly > with me. > > Choice is a good thing. > Options are good things. > > I expected more from this list. > On May 28, 2016 10:09 AM, "Deacon Patrick" <lamon...@mac.com <javascript:>> > wrote: > >> Stop being ridiculous, Skenry. Nothing in this thread except your use of >> the words is intolerant or single-minded. >> >> In deciding between Cleary and Islabike I called and talked with both >> companies. Islabike was very "business and component" focused, Cleary was >> very "parent and kid experience with the bike" focused. That made my >> decision to buy from Cleary easy (despite my natural deference to anything >> resembling an Islay connection. Grin.). As I said earlier, and >> foreshadowing what Mark eventually said: "It shows me their underlying >> principles of bicycling differ greatly from mine." >> >> With abandon, >> Patrick >> >> >> >> >> >> On Friday, May 27, 2016 at 8:35:08 PM UTC-6, Skenry wrote: >>> >>> And that's the point that is confusing, islabike is still making the >>> type of bike that you are referring to. All they are doing is offering >>> consumers a choice. >>> >>> Intolerance and single-sightedness don't seem to be those Riv qualities >>> that some of you preach on about. >>> >>> So it's a great company if they make only the type of bike that you >>> want? But it's a bad company if they make the bike you want AND the type >>> of bike that someone else may want? >>> >>> Wow. It's no wonder the reputation garnered here. >>> On May 27, 2016 5:26 PM, "'Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch" < >>> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com> wrote: >>> >>>> You guys are conflating the things I've written.This is not about >>>> snobbery or proselytizing, not about anti this or that, not about who >>>> should or should not be on the list. I did not question anyone's >>>> qualifications for being on RBW. If you have actually read what I wrote >>>> and the reason for my, let's face it, in the context of life, mild dismay >>>> at Islabikes is not clear, I cheerfully give up! Wait, one last time: >>>> >>>> There is a kid's bicycle company. It appeared that they had some >>>> Riv-like qualities and a similar approach to bicycles as RBW. I purchased >>>> a >>>> bike from them based in some good measure on this approach. They are now >>>> offering a line of kid's bikes that in many ways goes against this >>>> approach >>>> toward making and selling bicycles. I am disappointed. You don't have to >>>> be. Not in the slightest. >>>> >>>> On Friday, May 27, 2016 at 4:30:26 PM UTC-4, Daniel D. wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Because I like steel, I like pretty paint jobs, I like wool, I like >>>>> swedish axes, I like leather saddles, I like lugs, I like racks, I like >>>>> nice bags, I like the best bike shop experience ever, >>>>> >>>>> But what I enjoy and am willing to spend is not the end all be all . >>>>> Don't get the snobbery and need for it to be a "cause". >>>>> >>>>> On Friday, May 27, 2016 at 11:56:27 AM UTC-7, Mark in Beacon wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> And by the way, this idea that they are "filling a market" and >>>>>> "giving customers what they want" is also a bit suspect. One reason RBW >>>>>> is >>>>>> such a niche company is that the majority of people shopping for >>>>>> bicycles >>>>>> are at the mercy of the industry, which has a vested interest in pushing >>>>>> certain types of bicycles. And if you don't get that, I am truly puzzled >>>>>> why you are on this list. (Note that none of this means I think people >>>>>> should only ride Rivendells, or that carbon sucks, or that people cannot >>>>>> have fun on pro style racing bicycles. It's not about that per se.) >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Friday, May 27, 2016 at 11:40:55 AM UTC-4, RJM wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> There is a lot of negativity towards this company here which made me >>>>>>> check the link so I can understand why, and after I still don't get it. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I've never heard of this company before but I understand why they >>>>>>> are making this pro line...not a lot of companies cater to the young >>>>>>> racer >>>>>>> and offer equipment for that. They are filling a market. If you don't >>>>>>> believe that kids that young are racing then you aren't attending many >>>>>>> races. Just this past weekend I worked a local mountain bike race day >>>>>>> and >>>>>>> there was a kid class, and they were competitive and having fun at the >>>>>>> same >>>>>>> time riding a smaller portion of the same trail that the adults rode >>>>>>> on. >>>>>>> Very capable kids. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>> Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>> an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com. >>>> To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com. >>>> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. >>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>> >>> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "RBW Owners Bunch" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com <javascript:>. >> To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com >> <javascript:>. >> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. 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