Doug,
Thanks for that information.  Should I email grant directly on picking
things or go through Roman or someone else?

Thanks.

TIm

On Thu, Jun 2, 2016 at 10:27 PM, dougP <dougpn...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Tim:
>
> A huge pro is number one on your list:  RBW knows the bike.  Their
> standard build kits have been developed over time and are an excellent
> value.  They are also willing to change components if you have something
> else you'd prefer, and they'll advise you if they think a change is
> unwise.
>
> Fit is all important and your concern is valid.  However, Riv's sizing
> system works for the bulk of the population.  I'd hazard a guess that if
> you're on anything from 50 to 64 cm Rivendell will be able to size it
> right.  Very tall and very short people can be difficult to fit but most of
> the rest of us can ride a standard frame.
>
> When I bought my Atlantis, we had several phone conversations & did the
> PBH measurement, talked about what I was riding & what I was looking for,
> and went thru the component list.  When the Big Box arrived (they do a
> wonderful job of packing), it was the first time I'd ever seen a Rivendell
> in person.  Within a short time, I'd finished the assembly & was out the
> door.  With a few minor adjustments (seat height, etc.), within a couple of
> miles I knew this bike fit & rode better than any other bike I'd owned.
>
> IMHO & experience you can trust Riv to deliver a bike that will fit well &
> work correctly.  Worked for me.
>
> dougP
>
> On Thursday, June 2, 2016 at 8:15:13 PM UTC-7, Tim Butterfield wrote:
>>
>> Hi, all.
>>
>> I have some more build questions, though not component related this time.
>>
>> What are the pros and cons of having RBW build the bike instead of having
>> that done at the LBS?  Some factors I have thought about include:
>>
>> RBW
>> Pro - RBW knows the frame best and what would work on it
>> Con - Unless a part is RBW stock, I may have to buy most parts myself and
>> ship it to them
>> Con - RBW cannot ensure my fit of the assembled bike
>> Con - I cannot try out different stem lengths as easily
>>
>> LBS
>> Pro - Can ensure everything works together
>> Pro - Can order all/most parts themselves
>> Pro - Can ensure fit of assembled bike
>> Pro - Can test different stem lengths to check fit
>> Con - Not likely to be as familiar with building a Homer
>> Con - May have a preference for 'common' racer oriented gear
>> Con - May not be as willing to track down non-current (older) new parts
>>
>> I spoke with one LBS who said they could build it.  But, after a couple
>> of emails to them, I have not yet received a reply, though it has been
>> several days.  That lowers my trust factor in them.  So, I either need to
>> find a different LBS or have it built by RBW.  I'm not sure which way might
>> be preferable.
>>
>> What other factors would weigh for or against either RBW or the LBS doing
>> the build?  If you know of an LBS in NW WA that you would recommend to do
>> the build, please share that also.  I'm an hour and a half north of
>> Seattle, but could travel a little if needed.  Another option may be to
>> travel the ten hour round trip south to Portland to Rivelo, though I would
>> prefer not to have to travel that far if a qualified LBS is right near to
>> me.  I am willing to do that if it is the best option.
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> Tim
>>
>>
>> On Wed, May 25, 2016 at 7:14 PM, Tim Butterfield <timbutt...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I've been thinking of getting a Rivendell bicycle for a long time.  I
>>> first joined this group to lurk back in 2010 and have been a member and
>>> sometimes lurker since then.  But, I had not made the commitment and
>>> purchased a Riv.  The closest I came was getting a Velo-Orange Rando.  That
>>> was sort of rivish.
>>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/timbutterfield/sets/72157624827193423
>>>
>>> Being in the suburbs of Chicago near O'Hare airport limited my comfort
>>> using it the way it should have been.  That bike was sold before I left
>>> Chicago to live full-time in an RV.  Once we decided to settle in
>>> Anacortes, WA (still in the RV), I purchased a Specialized AWOL Comp,
>>> definitely not rivish.
>>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/timbutterfield/sets/72157644371355428
>>>
>>> It's a nice bike, but I now want something more rivish, this time, the
>>> real thing.  I'm thinking of getting either the Roadeo or the A Homer
>>> Hilsen.  I like the idea of the liveliness and sportiness of the Roadeo,
>>> but like the bit of extra versatility of the AHH also.  With my weight at
>>> 200+ (PBH 33" or 83.8cm, age 51), I'm leaning towards the AHH instead of
>>> the Roadeo.  I can start more roadish with the AHH and, as I build my
>>> abilities further, expand the bike to fit new and/or different tasks
>>> without having to change frames.
>>>
>>> So, I'm fairly settled on getting my first Riv, one of the two
>>> mentioned.  My pondering now is mostly on how to appoint it.  My Rando was
>>> more modern with the 105 setup.  The AWOL was definitely modern with discs
>>> and SRAM setup.  But, I'm not tied to that.  Though I haven't used it much,
>>> I like the looks of a quill stem, drop bars, and downtube shifters.  It
>>> looks clean and simple.  I'm just not sure what it's like to live with.  I
>>> expect that, like many things, it is a matter of adapting to it.  But,
>>> using DT shifters or bar ends does set a direction as neither would work
>>> with an 11-speed I could have instead.  I'm trying to consider the pros and
>>> cons of each.
>>>
>>> With my AWOL, I leave it locked to the cabana just outside my RV.  Some
>>> RVs have sufficient inside storage for a bike.  Mine doesn't.
>>>
>>> My questions to the group are these:  As I am not yet doing longer
>>> distances, are there still benefits to the more traditional setups?  If I
>>> pick either one, what might I later miss the other may have provided?  Are
>>> there likely to be any weather related or other wear issues leaving a Riv
>>> locked to the RV park cabana like I do my AWOL?  I'm doubtful of that, but
>>> don't want to mistreat it either.  Any thing else I should consider?
>>>
>>> Thanks for any advice you have.
>>>
>>> Tim
>>>
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