Dear Bustini, congrats on soon lulling the trigger on an Appaloosa! Sweet! 
I can't speak to choco-moose bars (though I've come across 
choco-moose-muffins on occation, but they are another thing entirely. 
Useful for starting fires in a pinch, once dried though). Grin. Here is 
some generic bar advice based on my experience with riding drops, Albatross 
(including inverted), Moustache, Albastache, Boscos, and watching my 
daughters ride Boscos on their old bikes and now their Clementines.

1) Arm bend will get you however low you need to go, and the percentage of 
"need" a low position in a given day on the road/trail is usually pretty 
low (but headwinds on the open planes are a real buggaboo!). As Valerie 
alludes to, comfort in the saddle and with the relationship between saddle 
and bars is more important than getting low. Dial that in, then figure out 
how to get low when you need to. You'll be stunned how seldom that is, and 
then how brief it is (again, barring a day riding next to Laura, Mary, Ma, 
and Pa in their wagon). Grin.

2) The "wrong" bars from Rivendell are generally "right" or at least 
workable most of the time. If you find they aren't in enough situations 
that you are motivated to experiment with your cockpit setup, that's it's 
own amazing adventure. Mean road, get the bike you want, ride the bars it 
comes with, get to know them, love what they do well, discover what you 
wish they did better, scratch your head, and go from there. Grin.

3) All Grant bars have climbing and descending positions. He and the rest 
of the elves ride up and down Mount Diablo until Satan's grin looks like 
Mr. Ed's it's so rutted. Play with them. You'll find them. Where they are 
may surprise you, but you'll find them.

4) Have fun!

With abandon,
Patrick

On Monday, September 12, 2016 at 4:44:41 PM UTC-6, Bustini wrote:
>
> I'm close to buying an Appaloosa, to be used for everything including 
> loaded touring. There will be plenty of climbing to be done, so my question 
> is this: Does the Choco-Moose bar allow for enough forward and downward 
> lean to make for a decent (for me) climbing position? And how about a stiff 
> headwind? Is the position too upright? I really like a rather upright 
> riding position for most conditions, but I like to crouch when necessary. 
> Should I consider putting drops on the bike? I know this is all somewhat 
> subjective, but I could use some sage advice that is based in actual 
> experience. Thank you all!
>

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