Also the 'reach' on the San Marcos is 356mm but the All City is 377.9mm, 
21.9mm difference, and the San Marcos has 1.5* slacker seat tube ... so to 
recreate the same seat to pedal position I could move the seat forward as 
compared to my All City, but then it sounds like I will be a lot closer to 
the controls, a lot more upright? This seem right?

On Monday, October 10, 2016 at 11:43:54 AM UTC-4, Belopsky wrote:
>
> In the last half a year, I've gotten a lot more serious about riding, been 
> through a lot of bikes, and just finally seem to be getting down to a fit I 
> am liking, and once again thinking about stem lengths and top tubes and etc.
>
> In my current garage I have:
>
> Soma San Marcos, 51cm
> Rivendell Sam Hillborne, 55cm
> All-City Macho King, 52cm
> Cheviot (yet-to-be-finished-and-ridden), 50cm
>
> The Cheviot may be shared between myself and my partner. She's 5'2. I am 
> 5'7. At worst I will have more seatpost showing/bars a bit higher.
>
>
> The Rivendell has an effective top tube (ett) of 570mm. I have a very long 
> stem on it with Albatross bars - I had a Hillborne before, with drop bars, 
> and it felt too big with drops for me, but with the upright bars, all is 
> fine. Fistful of seatpost showing.
>
> My San Marcos feels real good too, not many miles yet, but fits like what 
> I've been riding... ett of 550mm, bars at saddle height, stem seems to be a 
> 90mm or something like that, 44cm drop bars.. perhaps Philip knows what 
> length he sold it with..
>
> My All City is my 'go-fast' bike, 853 steel frame with a carbon fork, bars 
> are lower than seat, and that's how I want this bike set. The 52cm frame 
> size actually measures ett 550, a bit more aggressive than the other bike 
> but not much. 90mm stem with 10* rise.
>
>
> PBH: 83.x. SH: ~ 71.4
>
> Riv sizing talks about me riding 55-57cm depending on the frame, but I 
> always worry that the top tube is too long. Anywho, I was under the 
> impression that for a 'fast' bike you want a slightly longer stem, for more 
> weight in the front..but also with bars at seat height I suppose I can ride 
> a bigger frame with a shorter stem - how short is too short, with drop bars 
> - anything can work with some pullback.
>
>
> Any others my size/pbh/sh that can comment?
>

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