Thanks, I'll keep that in mind. On Tuesday, May 23, 2017 at 11:50:51 AM UTC-7, Julian Westerhout wrote: > > Evan, > > If you " honestly don't care what happens as long as Bruce gets what he > deserves" then this endeavor is really pointless. You seem to think a > quarter million dollars is chump change. Having been on the board of > several established not-for-profits (not bike related) I can tell you > raising that sort of money unless you have some sort of real draw is not > easy. > > Your effort, such as it is (seems limited to a quick GoFundMe page), does > not even consider how you'll keep this going even if you should raise the > funds. I admire the desire, but this sort of seat-of-the-pants approach is > ill advised, IMHO. > > FWIW, BG saying he'll tell anyone who doesn't have $250k to f-off is part > of the problem. > > Julian Westerhout > Bloomington, Il > > > > > On Tuesday, May 23, 2017 at 1:19:09 PM UTC-5, Evan Baird wrote: >> >> We've got a group of people together to discuss the best framework to >> use. If you have experience setting up a nonprofit, coop or b corp I >> encourage you to send me your email and I'll add you to the group. If you >> think Bruce is messing around maybe you're right, or maybe you don't >> actually know him very well. The way he put it to me is he can't ride them, >> so if nobody wants them badly enough to pay up then fuck it. I honestly >> don't care what happens as long as Bruce gets what he deserves, which is >> respect, dignity and a comfortable retirement. If you have 250,000 I would >> say it's a bargain. >> >> On Tuesday, May 23, 2017 at 9:37:16 AM UTC-7, Julian Westerhout wrote: >>> >>> My response to this on the Boblist (for those who don't follow both): >>> >>> Evan, >>> >>> Do you have an actual business plan beyond hoping others give you enough >>> $ to buy his bikes? Aside from his cool bike collection and the relatively >>> minimal value of his tools, the value of the business IS Bruce Gordon. He >>> has been struggling for the past few years -- what makes you think that >>> once he is gone folks will flock to learn how to build bikes from a >>> "museum" with his name on it but with no other connection? Who are your >>> master builder/instructors? How many people do you imagine would pay to see >>> his collection? How much would it cost you to keep the doors open? >>> >>> Your claim that he is threatening to recycle all of his collection >>> instead of sell it piece by piece is indicative of the problem. That's >>> irrational -- if he really was so low energy, he could engage someone else >>> to sell it for him. If he cannot even manage that what sort of >>> support/guidance will he provide as you attempt to succeed at pushing a >>> BG-less BG Cycles? >>> >>> What happens to the $$ you are raising if you are not successful in >>> getting the $250,000 you're asking for? You're using GoFundMe, which allows >>> withdrawals of any and all monies collected, regardless of success of >>> drive. If you don't raise the full amount, will you and Norma keep the >>> funds raised? Refund your donors? Donate the funds to BG? Are you using an >>> escrow service? >>> >>> As you plan on being a museum/educational facility, have you looked into >>> the laws associated with doing so? Will you be a 501(C)3? How will you be >>> structured? You're making a big ask -- perhaps you'd like to share more on >>> your plans and what you've developed so far. >>> >>> Julian Westerhout >>> Bloomington, Il >>> >>> On Monday, May 22, 2017 at 10:40:21 PM UTC-5, Evan Baird wrote: >>>> >>>> Cross Post from BOB >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>
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