Geeter: I hope your back at least stabilizes, even if you can't go back to
the slammed stems of youth. (I once had my stem fully 6" below saddle, and
this with stems with 140, later shortened to 135, mm extensions! No more.

I have to confess that I didn't ask Chauncey for the high head tube; I just
pointed to my 2 Rivendells and said, "Those are the bikes whose handling
and fit I judge all others by" -- or words to that effect. I could get my
Matthews' bar as low as those on my Rivs -- ~3 cm below saddle -- if I
wanted to, with a 17* drop, but it's very comfortable as is. I may switch
to a -6/10 cm instead of the current -6/9 -- this after already moving from
an 8.

I'm tempted to find a radically dropping track stem for it ....

Not sure I'd be better off with a quill system; I'd have had to buy a new
one already as it is!

On Mon, Aug 7, 2017 at 10:42 AM, Geeter <gma...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Patrick, I love that you had a bike designed with a long enough headtube
> and angles to actually slam it upright!  That is awesome!  That is exactly
> what I would love right now.
>
> I am good example of the ebbs and flows one goes through with geometry
> based on health.  I always rode aggressively and had pretty good saddle to
> bar drop.  When my lumbar discs started acting up I started riding with
> more steerer and even buying high rise threadless stems.  I have a Gunnar
> Roadie with a barely cut fork for that reason.  My Jones has an uncut tube
> and actually looks normal because Jeff designed it as so.  He even sells
> new tubes for 30 bucks with his Truss so you can always just go back to the
> drawing board.
>
> After having surgery a few months back the only way I can ride comfortably
> on the Gunnar is by using the full steerer.  If it was cut low like many of
> you mentioned I would have either sold it or bought a new fork.
>
> The threaded option in my opinion these days is almost a must.  If I
> wanted to slam, I could.  If I want a high rise, I can.  No need to worry
> about steerer tube materials and stress in the conventional sense.
>
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