My All Rounder info is based on the cost of a Riv Custom, which is what you 
would be buying to get that bike from Rivendell. This includes the paint, I 
suspect your Waterford number does not. 

My Hunqapillar number is just a guess based on what Waterford currently charges 
for standard models, I'm not implying you could get the frame directly from 
them. Either frame starts as an order with Riv. 

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