Joe asked: "Does Waterford offer standard models, like they're built-to-order 
but not a custom? "   Yes, those would be the Gunnar line.Stock frames start at 
$1,100 and made to measure at $1,450.  Plus $300 for a fork.  Welded, not 
lugged.  A Waterford frame starts at $2,300 + fork.  The most recent MUSA RBW 
models were priced about the same as a Waterford, but have nicer lugs and of 
course Riv design.  

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