What are your 50mm tires Ted ?  It seems pressure does play a large role in 
all this ! 


On Tuesday, June 9, 2020 at 12:52:31 AM UTC-4, ted wrote:
>
> Love my road bikes, also love my Bombadil.
>
> Logged lots of miles on ~21 or 22mm tubulars, was on 26mm tires today. 
> Yep, ride great. Probably wouldn't choose them for riding over the ridge in 
> my local open space though.
>
> Yes wide tires are just wider, well wider and taller. The wider tends to 
> mean they sink in less on soft surfaces. That can be a good thing or a bad 
> thing. The taller helps to avoid pinch flats at lower pressures. They also 
> need lower pressure to give the same spring rate. At 20 psi the 50mm tires 
> on my Bombadil are quite compliant. At 30 not so much. But at 20 psi short 
> of going fast over bad deep dried out bovine hoof prints i'd never 
> characterize its ride as "jarring as heck". Clearly your millage differs 
> though. 
>
> On Monday, June 8, 2020 at 4:10:41 PM UTC-7, Garth wrote:
>>
>>  
>>  I've been riding my Franklin Reynolds 531ST custom from from '99 a whole 
>> lot lately..... man I like that bike. I had the 62 c-c frame made with a 
>> 62cm TT and 46cm chainstays. I originally used the Dirt Drop bars from 
>> Nitto but now use an Albatross 56cm steel. 36/46 Origin8 crank and Sachs 
>> 7sp. 13-32 freewheel. 
>>
>>  speaking of big tires and all ... well riddle me this Batman how this 
>> bike literally just floats over patch paved and cruddy washed out gravel 
>> roads with not so fancy 33mm Forte Metro ST tires that were about $15 .... 
>> and my Bombadil regardless of the tires I've used even at very low pressure 
>> is jarring as heck ? Exact same wheels builds on both. It's also easier for 
>> me to maintain my line and speed with the road bike up steep washed out 
>> backwoods gravel roads also, corrections are wholly intuitive and 
>> effortless. Watching the fork flex like crazy over bumpy roads is also fun 
>> ! 
>>
>> I could only "guess" it has a whole lot to do with the tubing and it's 
>> design I suppose. Regardless, it's great and even though I've not yet 
>> received my Suzie it has me rethinking the whole thing. I "hope" the Susie 
>> is a whole lot more vertically resilient than the Bomba. But those Hilly 
>> frames are a once in a lifetime "try" for me though. If not, I'll have 
>> another road kinda bike made. Does Reynolds even make 531 anymore ? 
>>
>> Also, a wider tire is just wider, not necessarily better or worse. I love 
>> narrow tires as I grew up riding them so it's quite intuitive for me. I 
>> rode many a pairs of Specialized Touring Turbo 27x 1/8 or 1/4. Those are 
>> what I knew as "road tires" even before I got into road racing tires which 
>> were even narrower. There is such a distinct feel, a precision that gets 
>> lost in wider tires from all the bikes I've ridden. I've tried some wider 
>> tires on my road bike and it just felt odd. It seems pretty obvious to me 
>> that a frame that is quite compliant doesn't need overly wide tires to ride 
>> "soft" and cushy.
>>
>> Then there's the simplicity of double crank and the ease of which to 
>> throw on various parts. I also had cantilevers put on the frame and use 
>> Suntour XC Pro's, and they are outstanding, I've never had such a effective 
>> brake. It's also darn light to me, even with the heavy duty Phil/Mavic 
>> wheels that are on it. 
>>
>> Hooray for road-tire bikes !  
>>
>>
>>

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